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CJC · November 18th 03, 09:39 PM posted to uk.transport.london

Dave Arquati wrote in message ...
Ben Nunn wrote:
Unless I'm very much mistaken, it was Boltar ),
in message who said:

Dave Arquati wrote in message
...

When will the extension(s) appear on the tube map? Or will they
appear
at all?

On a similar vein, does anyone have any information on plans to
include
high-frequency National Rail routes on the standard Tube map? (I know
about the Overground Network pilot project).

I suspect it'll appear initially when all the tub thumping is
underway, then
when LU and everyone else actually stand up and admit that all
they've created
is yet another suburban 3rd rail route with the associated lousy
service it'll
no longer be called the ELL and will disappear of tube maps never to
be seen
again, a bit like the drayton park - moorgate line. My personal
prediction (and I stand to be proved completely wrong) is that this
line will not be
nearly as popular as those in power seem to think it will be. The
only real use
it will have is as a commuter route to interchange with the jubilee
line for
docklands , I doubt even a small percentage will use it for cross
town travel.
I can think of FAR better schemes to have spent money on than this.

I would tend to agree.

It seems to be an attempt to join up little bits of existing infrastructure,
just so LU can say 'Hey, look, we've built a whole new long line'. No you
haven't.

The decision not to include a Central Line interchange was a major mistake,
as this would at least give people an additional reason for using it.

As it is, getting into the centre from the southern end will take a lot
longer than using a mainline service, so the demand simply isn't going to be
there.

Woohoo. Croydon to Whitechapel in 40 minutes, then change onto a lethargic
District service into the City. Can't see it proving too popular, somehow.

BTN

I don't think anyone is claiming that that's the idea. The idea is to
provide an ability to perform orbital journeys - so of course they're
not looking at Croydon to the City via Whitechapel! Croydon to Canary
Wharf or Stratford via Canada Water on the other hand is much better and
cheaper than changing at London Bridge, and reduces pressure on central
area termini. In fact for many journeys it will be possible to avoid
Zone 1 - which makes it cheaper for the passenger and stops journeys
unnecessarily going through Zone 1.

Another point of the project is that it does not involve vast amounts of
money - a connection over disused track at either end links a backwater
line into the main networks and allows a multitude of journey
opportunities for relatively low cost.

I thought the ELL was going to become part of NR and was planned as a
new freight route as well. I'd guess they'll keep it on the tube map
like they have the NLL on.