On 9 Apr, 20:26, Sky Rider wrote:
Mr Thant wrote:
Well I was quoting from last month's MR

So was I, as it happens.

though on another read it's unclear - the DfT state "the Thameslink project will also introduce new vehicles", but in the table beside Roger has them as
25 377s from Southern.
But then a couple of pages on in the Thameslink article the latter is sort of framed as his own suggestion.

Point accepted, but I did say 'most likely'. Perhaps we agree on the
NGEMUs now, but just to further my case, I will quote a paragraph from
the RSP:

'15. In addition, the [Thameslink] programme requires additional
vehicles for KO1 in 2011. It is expected that these vehicles will be
either cascaded existing EMU vehicles or new vehicles based on existing
designs with some, but maybe not all, of the features of the next
generation vehicles. However, it is possible that the next generation
vehicles proposed for KO2 in 2015 could be delivered earlier, possibly
by 2010 - 2011, if manufacturers are capable of delivering the required
outputs.'

As we already know, the first NGEMU should be in passenger service by 1
February 2012, but certainly not another 24. For some reason (once again
I have the Captain to thank for this) the DfT expect the first NGEMU to
be delivered more than a year before the first IEP train despite the
fact that NGEMU procurement has only just started, whereas IEP
procurement has been active for months.

If only he were around to clarify.

Agreed. And he was around less than 2 hours ago. g

Right,

All these figures for Thameslink are inferred, as explained in the
write up on the Laughing Stock Plan.

FCC inferred from their net gain that they got 192 vehicles for KO. I
made it 100. I think I am right..

Either way, these are South Central 377s converted to dual voltage.
Hence South Central get 100 new vehicles to back fill.

The suggestion by DafT that the NGEMU could be delivered for KO1,
when tendering had not started and no detailed spec existed is par for
the course.

Meanwhile I have sussed out how the 1300 vehicles for Thameslink have
turned into 1100. Apparently further work since the LSP was published
shows that 1300 was over the top and 1100 will now do the job.

Hope this helps.