On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 11:09:09 +0000, Barry Salter
wrote:

On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 04:14:56 +0000, Paul Corfield
wrote:

I'd dearly love to see Network Rail try given any agreements are between
the operating companies and LUL not the infrastructure provider. You'll
also find that the extent of "pass through" of penalties between
organisations is very limited.

I was under the impression that it was Network Rail who were responsible
for billing the TOCs for delay minutes they [the TOCs] caused, and paid
out for any minutes caused by signallers, trackwork, etc?

Agreed for issues purely on the National Network. The case in point
referred to LUL tracks and or trains.

For the Met Line interworking there is an agreement between LUL and
Chiltern with no Network Rail involvement as LUL trains never touch
their infrastructure. The boundary point is north of Amersham and A
stock cannot reach it.

The Bakerloo is more complex but in essence Network Rail can cause
delays to LUL trains / depot operation due to infrastructure issues.
Similarly Silverlink trains can break down and delay LUL ones and vice
versa. However IIRC the compensation rates in no way match either the
typical NR ones or those applicable under the PPP performance regime.

Also I'd struggle to understand how a slow running Met train would
really have any impact on Virgin Cross Country near Banbury given the
interworked LUL section really only impacts Marylebone - Aylesbury via
Amersham trains. Perhaps I'm missing something?

Okay...A rather unlikely example, as it'd require Chiltern to miss slots
at Aylesbury and Neasden and have knock on effects on about three
different trains (turn round time at Marylebone being minimal, as I
recall) to have an effect on VXC, but it could happen...

As another poster has highlighted it is a possibility as a result of the
stock positioning Chiltern use. However VXC has no direct relationship
with LUL so its claim would be with Chiltern. Chiltern in turn could try
to claim from LUL if there was irrefutable proof that the cause was LUL
and that was no mitigation possible and no other influences on the
operation of the train. However I doubt they would succeed or even that
it would be worth their while financially so to do.
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Paul C
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