In message , at 09:39:10 on
Sun, 14 Sep 2008, JB remarked:
And people that do think that you can build your way out of congestion
should stop for a moment and ask themselves if the M25 does work at
8am on a rainy Monday morning in December.

Just because it has problems at specific times and location doesn't mean
that overall it's not an improvement. As someone who weekly-commuted
between Essex and Reading, even a congested M25 beats what was there
before.
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Roland Perry