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Old October 31st 08, 01:26 PM posted to uk.railway,uk.transport.london
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Default Penalty fare increase

On 31 Oct, 09:43, Mizter T wrote:
The question is what happens if you are issued a PF but then don't pay
it


I've done some reading of the actual law. A penalty fare is considered
a civil debt from the moment it's issued, at which point you're still
considered a fare evader. If you pay up, you no longer are. But if you
don't pay, the company can go after you for either the penalty fare
debt or the original fare evasion. It explicitly says if they do the
latter, the penalty fare is no longer owed.

You do have right of appeal, and you are required to be notified of
this right, and the burden is on the operator to disprove any claims
made in your appeal.

http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/rail/legis...altyfaresrules

(Does the law
even suggest that such an understanding has to be reached I wonder?
i.e. if the 'suspect' says that they won't pay the PF come whatever,
can a PF still be issued to them, given that there isn't an
understanding that they'll pay later?)


I can't see a specific rule saying when it's deemed to be charged -
presumably "when the ticket inspector decides so". It does say
refusing to give your name and address is an offence, so sticking your
fingers in your ears appears to be out.

U