"Adrian" wrote in message
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(Steve Firth) gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying:

Both you and Adrian have allowed yourself to be hijacked by the usual
cyclists' "tu quoque". The subject is not motorists jumping red lights,
it is cyclists jumping red lights. For some reason the cyclists seem to
want to ignore this inconvenient truth.

No, the subject is vehicle users jumping red lights.

The subject is *cyclists* jumping red lights - "Cyclists allowed to run red
lights?". Now bicycles are a type of vehicle - I'll give you that - but they
are one specific type of vehicle. Stay on the subject and don't digress onto
other (motorised) types of vehicle.