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Old May 5th 09, 03:38 PM posted to uk.transport.london,uk.railway
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Default Oyster on National Rail - Variable Minimum Journey Times

On May 5, 4:20*pm, Barry Salter wrote:
John wrote:
- Travellers from Upminster Bridge to Epping will have to touch at
West Ham or Mile End for a time extension to avoid overrunning the
Z(2)3456 limit


As an Oyster PAYG holder who lives outside the Network Card area let
alone Z1-6, could you please advise me what the time limits currently
are. Are they available on Tfls website?


Time limits are given on page 3 of the "Fares and Tickets" leaflet,
available for download from
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/faresandtickets/2930.aspx. Oddly,
however, the main download and Large Print version differ in their
definitions!

The Large Print version states: "Your Tube, DLR, London Overground and
National Rail pay as you go journey must be completed within two and a
half hours of you having touched in at the start of your journey. If the
time between touching in and touching out exceeds two and a half hours
you will be charged more than the Oyster single fare for your journey.
If this happens, you will need to call the Oyster helpline for assistance.."

The "normal" version, however, states: "Your Tube, DLR, London
Overground and National Rail pay as you go journey must be completed
within a time limit from when you touched in at the start of your
journey. The time limit varies between 70 minutes for the shortest
journeys on Monday to Friday and four hours for some longer journeys on
Sunday. If the time between touching in and touching out at the end of
your journey is more than the time limit you will be charged more than
the Oyster single fare for your journey. If this happens, you will need
to call the Oyster helpline for assistance."

At present, it's the former version that applies, though it would be
hoped that TfL would provide more notice of the proposal to introduce a
variable time limit than just including it in the Fares and Tickets
leaflet (after all, how many people take the time to read it?).


I suppose the latter version applies as well, because all journeys are
between 70 and 240 minutes if they are set at 150 minutes.

Maybe if it's in the leaflet for long enough before any variations are
implemented, they'll be able to claim that there has been no change to
the rules.