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Old May 7th 09, 07:00 AM posted to uk.railway,uk.transport.london
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Default Thameslink KO1 to Tonbridge and Dartford?


"MIG" wrote in message
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On May 5, 11:51 am, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
wrote:
Found this on a transport blog:


'Reports are that during 2011 the Sevenoaks service will return to
Southeastern with First Capital Connect running a new Tonbridge via
Bromley South, Orpington, Sevenoaks and Hildenborough service. First
Capital Connect will also run a service from London Bridge to Dartford
calling at St Johns and then split with all station services via both
Lewisham/Welling and Sidcup/Crayford lines.'


The recently published Kent RUS consultation draft is possibly a more
authoritative update. Includes amongst many other references to
Thameslink:

"The current expectation is that all fast trains to Cannon Street from the
Tonbridge area will be incorporated into the Thameslink network, calling
at
London Bridge but running onwards towards Blackfriars and beyond...

"Based on the train service specification assumed by the South London RUS,
Thameslink services in the Kent RUS area would run to and from Tunbridge
Wells, Paddock Wood and Maidstone East. These are all likely to replace
services that currently operate to Cannon Street or Blackfriars.

As an aside, there is some interesting stuff in the RUS proposals for
extensions to HS1 services, with a significant number of additional 395s
being required...

http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browse%...ocuments/route...

Paul


This would mean that the introduction of through services would result
in dramatically more people having to change at London Bridge, which
isn't very healthy and safe at the best of times.

Fixed peak service patterns, with everything from certain routes going
to the same terminus, have been suggested and rejected before.

I don't think the City types who currently tuck themselves into a seat
at Cannon Street will be keen on changing to an already full train at
London Bridge, so there will probably be some lobbying to prevent this
happening.

RESPONSE to THREAD


Don't know why my indent and isn't happening, but this is my 2p on the
issue of "forcing" South of London services through Thameslink ...

With the 12-car exercise leading to closure of the City Branch, what do
folks here think of the idea of restoring the east chord at Farringdon, and
installing 3rd rail on the former DOWN or both tracks through to Moorgate
Platforms 5 & 6:

a) can it be done after the works at Smithfield and Farringdon?
b) would it be a low cost substitute for the terminating platforms at
Blackfriars during rebuilding?
c) given that it must be a flat junction at Snow Hill, would this be a more
efficient way of terminating DC stock at City Thameslink, and of handling
northbound dual voltage stock which fails to engage AC?
d) would Moorgate be an acceptable interim terminal (for City workers) and
interchange (to Northern) while access at LB and Cannon St is affected by
works?
e) would we need to activate Platform 4 at Barbican to provide the
interchange to the Circle/H&C/Met Inner Rail - or would "Kentish Man" (the
southern cousin of "Amersham Man") prefer to stay on board one extra stop
and have an "at level" interchange from Platform 6 to Platform 2?

Regards

David Down Under

NB: I do have other thoughts about the old UP Midland City Widenend Line in
relation to terminating Metropolitan Line trains in the Central Area while
seeking to reduce conflicts and delays at minories Junction - will post
those thoughts elsewhere.