On May 18, 9:06*pm, D DB 90001
wrote:
On 18 May, 19:19, 1506 wrote:





On May 12, 3:13*pm, "Peter Masson" wrote:

"Paul Scott" wrote

So exactly what is the extra work DfT are paying for at Camden - as Peter
suggested NR and TfL are happy with the descope, does that mean 'happy for
the time being' or 'four tracking completely abandoned for ever'?

AIUI the only feature that's been lost in the descope which might be of
benefit for the planned train service is the turnback platform at Camden
Road. Instead, trains from Stratford which terminate there will have to go
on to the Primrose Hill line to reverse, where they would block freight.
However, at one time TfL were at least toying with he idea of eventually
extending someELLXtrains down the DC line, at least as far asQueensPark
(perhaps in conjunction with extending the Bakerloo to Watford Junction and
withdrawing the Euston - Watford Junction DC service). This would presumably
need 4-tracking through Camden Road, and a different track layout between HI
and Camden Road.

Peter

IMHO extending the East London Line to Queens Park makes sense. *And,
moreover extending them on to Watford makes better sense. *It would be
easier then extending the Bakerloo to Watford. *The route could be
third rail throughout, except for the short joint Bakerloo stretch.

Watford to west Croydon by way of Whitechapel trains could open up a
world of travel and interchange possibilities.

Hmm, like Watford to Croydon journeys which you could already do on
the existing Southern Service via Kensington Olympia. The existing
plans for the extension from Dalston Junction to Highbury and
Islington quite sufficient - the number of people travelling via
Dalston between Watford and Croydon will not be very high.- Hide quoted text -

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How are folks intending that Crossrail services and all the various
extensions to the route suggested above be pathed into the FGW
mainline between Maidenhead and Paddington? Right now the mainline is
full. HEX comes off the Airport Branch into the paths of FGW HST
services. Connect is even more conflicting in that it has to cross the
main lines to obtain access to the local lines. Connect has taken over
the local stopping services from FGW Link/ex-Thames Trains. But even
now - as they did this afternoon - if there are any problems and
Connect loses its path then they simply cancel the service or
terminate it at Hayes & Harlington - great service NOT for Airport
passengers. The BAA (and FGW) who 'own' Connnect cannot even run a
simple out and back service. The FGW main line is FULL. So how are
they going to fit in extra services for Crossrail? If Crossrail takes
over the local service functions then there may be paths - but
remember part of Crossrail will come out of the Airport. It is Airport
Junction that's a major problem. Also the fact that there will not be
a local service out of Reading towards Paddington 'cos Crossrail will
not serve Reading. The whole of the FGW line is a mess. FGW has more
complaints than any other trainco. And BAA can't run a decent train
service - HEX or Connect - period. CJB.