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Mizter T writes
Assuming the BBC have got the facts correct I can't see any union going for a
5 year deal in the current situation. *The other side is that a 5% pay claim
is also unrealistic. *Sounds like both sides need their heads banging
together.


I believe the current pay deal is a 5 year one which is coming towards
an end. I'm not sure of the history of LU pay deals and how long they
have run for in the past, but that's surely where the notion of a new 5
year deal has come from.

The current deal (that expired in 2008) was a 3 year deal which was set
at RPI + 0.6% in its final year.

The current offer is generally (from those I've spoken to) deemed ok as
a one year deal but years 2 - 5 are in contention. We are now 2 months
after the start of the current pay year and still negotiating.

FWIW, I disagree with calling this ballot by the RMT (those who know me
know that I am not an RMT member) before negotiations have reached a
point of impasse, which they haven't as they are still ongoing.

The business about job losses is a bit of a red herring IMO as it's
mostly removing duplication after Metronet was brought in house which
any well run business would endeavour to do. Many of those losing jobs
are not even RMT members and are currently being placed into other roles
within LU and TfL as far as they can.

The breakdown of relationships with management seems to be a few local
issues being thrown into the pot for good measure.
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