On Jul 13, 12:14*pm, John B wrote:
On Jul 13, 11:56*am, Neil *Williams wrote:

On Jul 13, 11:52*am, John B wrote:

Removing the 3rd seat from the 313s (making them 2+2 with a wide
aisle) has significantly improved the travelling experience, on the
couple of times I've used full NLL trains since they made the change.
I'm sure that longitudinal seating will be similarly helpful.

One thing I really dislike about it is that there is nowhere to stand
where you're not in the way of someone.

Perhaps having a large open standback area with no seats at all, but
then 3+2 seating further in, would be better?

Eh? On 3+2 trains like (most) 319s and (all?) 321s, there's nowhere to
stand where you're not in the way of *everyone*. On narrow-seat wide-
aisle 2+2 trains like the LO 313s and the SWT 455s, you can stand in
the aisle and there's still room for people to go past you. Surely
that's an improvement...?

Have you tried the NLL at peak time lately? even with the 2+2, things
are somewhat wedged. Last week, I found myself in a vestibule area,
trying to prop myself up against the ceiling - and being very glad
that it doesn't form part of my usual commute.