On Jul 13, 12:14*pm, John B wrote:

On Jul 13, 11:56*am, Neil *Williams wrote:

On Jul 13, 11:52*am, John B wrote:

Removing the 3rd seat from the 313s (making them 2+2 with a wide
aisle) has significantly improved the travelling experience, on the
couple of times I've used full NLL trains since they made the change.
I'm sure that longitudinal seating will be similarly helpful.

One thing I really dislike about it is that there is nowhere to stand
where you're not in the way of someone.

Perhaps having a large open standback area with no seats at all, but
then 3+2 seating further in, would be better?

Eh? On 3+2 trains like (most) 319s and (all?) 321s, there's nowhere to
stand where you're not in the way of *everyone*. On narrow-seat wide-
aisle 2+2 trains like the LO 313s and the SWT 455s, you can stand in
the aisle and there's still room for people to go past you. Surely
that's an improvement...?

Agreed. Perhaps in particular the context of the NLL route here is
important - lots of people are both getting off and on at each stop.
This isn't about whisking people into and then back out of town, where
there's a predominant flow. The flow is all over the place (yes, there
are some patterns, but it's still very varied). The WLL is like this a
bit. The DC Line less so, but that picture is complicated by the
Bakerloo line and also by the fast services from Watford Jn, Bushey
and Harrow & Wealdstone.