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[email protected] · July 29th 09, 02:19 PM posted to uk.transport.london

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On 29 July, 07:40, wrote:
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On 28 July, 21:48, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 07:13:29 -0700 (PDT), Andy
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On 28 July, 15:06, Clive wrote:
In message , Tony
Dragon writes
God, your making me feel my age, I can remember the 'Q' stock
on the District,

So can I. * I can also remember tube stock where the first half
of the driving car was taken up with equipment which went under
floor in 38 stock, but I can't remember what they were called.

Usually called Standard Stock, although they were anything but
standard, being build from 1923 - 1934 with many detail
differences!! Sometimes referred also referred to as 1923 Stock.

You don't really need to be too old though to remember the other
tube stock with an equipment compartment above the floor though.
Many will have traveled on the Waterloo and City stock
delivered in 1940 which ran until 1993 giving another generation
the chance to see stock so laid out plus the bonus of some still
having Southern Railway identity depicted on ventilation grilles.
Presumably the Southern had its reasons for sticking with such an
arrangement while the contempary LT 1938 stock was already under
construction and the underfloor concept had been found
satisfactory with *1935 stock trial. *
Would have thought any chance to get more passenger space on the
Drain would have been seized eagerly.

I think the point was that the 1940 stock used standard 4-SUB
motor bogies.

A further point was that the Southern was more backwards technically. Not
only did the 1935 and later tubes stocks have Electro Pneumatic brakes,
all the Standard stock was converted to EP brakes before the war. Not only
did the 4-SUBs and W&C stock have straight Westinghouse brakes, the
Southern didn't build new EPB stock until well after the war, with no
retro-fitting either.

I thought that a bit of the passenger space was still taken up in
the 1935 stock, but not the 1938 (although there was quite a big
bulge in the floor).

No. The 1935 prototypes were the first with underfloor control gear.

Yes, but there was something in the blank area behind the cab. I
never saw inside one, so I don't know what it was. Maybe an
unwindowed passenger space or some bit of equipment protruding (or a
huge cab?).

Not from what I recall. By the time I got to see most of the 1935 stock
the DMs with the streamlined cabs had been converted to trailers with flat
ends. The flat-ended DMs were almost identical to 1938 TS. I did travel in
at least one of them.

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Colin Rosenstiel