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On Wed, 2 Sep 2009 14:55:54 +0100
"David A Stocks" wrote:
Knowing how badly most web backends are written
We're talking about manual card transactions at a ticket machine. If
you're

Err no, the poster I was replying to was talking about renewing
online.

enough of a sucker to give out a credit/debit card PIN over the
internet then you're really f**ked.

Online banking requires it but I don't know about other sorts of
online transations - I don't do mail order.

No, you don't need your card PIN for on-line banking -- you have a
different password for that (with probably more than 4 characters).