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The effects of a congestion tax may not be what NuLabour want to hear.

"A national road charge will put more pressure on Britain's already brittle
public transport infrastructure, Ministers have been warned. With rural bus
services already under threat, and overcrowding endemic on urban train
lines, public transport would be stretched to breaking point."

See:
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/polit...086280,00.html



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"Tom Sacold" wrote in message
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The effects of a congestion tax may not be what NuLabour want to hear.

"A national road charge will put more pressure on Britain's already

brittle
public transport infrastructure, Ministers have been warned. With rural

bus
services already under threat, and overcrowding endemic on urban train
lines, public transport would be stretched to breaking point."


LOL

Rural bus services are under threat because no one uses them, and those that
do are probably recieving about 10 subsidy per journey.

A congestion charge would help more marginal public transport systems pay
for themselves, and the business about train overcrowding can be solved by
allowing companies to charge higher fares on the basis that it must be used
to improve the service - which has a 2 fold benefit of an immediate
reduction in demand (due to higher prices) and long term improvement in
capacity.

See:
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/polit...086280,00.html




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Rural bus services are under threat because no one uses them, and those
that do are probably recieving about 10 subsidy per journey.


And even less people would if motoring was cheaper in rural areas due to the
congestion tax.

A congestion charge would help more marginal public transport systems
pay for themselves, and the business about train overcrowding can be
solved by allowing companies to charge higher fares on the basis that it
must be used to improve the service - which has a 2 fold benefit of
an immediate reduction in demand (due to higher prices)


So it ends up where people can no longer afford to drive, and they can't
afford to take the train either, so everybody just sits at home all day and
the economy goes to pot. Great thinking.


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Rural bus services are under threat because no one uses them, and those
that do are probably recieving about 10 subsidy per journey.


And even less people would if motoring was cheaper in rural areas due to

the
congestion tax.

A congestion charge would help more marginal public transport systems
pay for themselves, and the business about train overcrowding can be
solved by allowing companies to charge higher fares on the basis that it
must be used to improve the service - which has a 2 fold benefit of
an immediate reduction in demand (due to higher prices)


So it ends up where people can no longer afford to drive, and they can't
afford to take the train either, so everybody just sits at home all day

and
the economy goes to pot. Great thinking.


you missed out saying that if more money was spent on road maintenance
rather than being stolen by the government to waste on crap like economic
migrants and if councils stopped purposely creating congestion(for their
congestion tax), then traffic would move much quicker.


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"Chris Jones" wrote in message
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Rural bus services are under threat because no one uses them, and those
that do are probably recieving about 10 subsidy per journey.


And even less people would if motoring was cheaper in rural areas due to

the
congestion tax.

A congestion charge would help more marginal public transport systems
pay for themselves, and the business about train overcrowding can be
solved by allowing companies to charge higher fares on the basis that it
must be used to improve the service - which has a 2 fold benefit of
an immediate reduction in demand (due to higher prices)


So it ends up where people can no longer afford to drive, and they can't
afford to take the train either, so everybody just sits at home all day

and
the economy goes to pot. Great thinking.


L.OL. They are only interested in penalising the motorist!




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On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 19:09:07 GMT, "Diversity Isn't A Codeword For
Anti-White" wrote:
you missed out saying that if more money was spent on road maintenance
rather than being stolen by the government to waste on crap like economic
migrants and if councils stopped purposely creating congestion(for their
congestion tax), then traffic would move much quicker.

I agree you can be standing in one street in my city and see the
street you want to get to maybe to make a delivery or something
and due to the no entry's and one way systems to drive to that street
from street A you have got to drive at least one mile when on foot
you can be there in less than a minute.
And what is more I always under stud that a ring road went ROUND a
city or town Preston city council here in Lancashire decided it would
be novel to build a ring road right through the fcking city center ! .
Grant .
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"Tom Sacold" wrote in message
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The effects of a congestion tax may not be what NuLabour want to

hear.

"A national road charge will put more pressure on Britain's already

brittle
public transport infrastructure, Ministers have been warned. With

rural bus
services already under threat, and overcrowding endemic on urban

train
lines, public transport would be stretched to breaking point."

See:
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/polit...086280,00.html


Perhaps as more traffic jams occur, more people will be encouraged
to find other means of getting there. Perhaps we don't need even more
taxation, which is really just money pulled from somewhere else, and
which we would throw back into the economy anyway, of our own accord.
Funny thing, free market forces.

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"Chris Jones" wrote in message
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Rural bus services are under threat because no one uses them, and those
that do are probably recieving about 10 subsidy per journey.


And even less people would if motoring was cheaper in rural areas due to

the
congestion tax


And so what?

Why should there be empty buses running around all over the countryside
belching out diesel fumes and doing about 5mpg?

When people say "get people out of cars and into buses/trains" they don't
mean in the middle of Wales, but in congested urban/commuter town areas.


A congestion charge would help more marginal public transport systems
pay for themselves, and the business about train overcrowding can be
solved by allowing companies to charge higher fares on the basis that it
must be used to improve the service - which has a 2 fold benefit of
an immediate reduction in demand (due to higher prices)


So it ends up where people can no longer afford to drive, and they can't
afford to take the train either, so everybody just sits at home all day

and
the economy goes to pot. Great thinking.

Or maybe Sainsburies stores in London will by their beef from Kent Farmers
rather than Highland farmers, and Sainsubries in Glasgow will by from
Highland farmers rather than Kent farmers. You think I am kidding but there
are a lot of inneficiencies like this floating around.


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"Ian Smith" wrote in message
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"Tom Sacold" wrote in message
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The effects of a congestion tax may not be what NuLabour want to

hear.

"A national road charge will put more pressure on Britain's already

brittle
public transport infrastructure, Ministers have been warned. With

rural bus
services already under threat, and overcrowding endemic on urban

train
lines, public transport would be stretched to breaking point."

See:
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/polit...086280,00.html


Perhaps as more traffic jams occur, more people will be encouraged
to find other means of getting there. Perhaps we don't need even more
taxation, which is really just money pulled from somewhere else, and
which we would throw back into the economy anyway, of our own accord.
Funny thing, free market forces.


But of course free market forces only work if people are charged for the
services (ie roads) that they use. Currently roads are free(1)

(1) So you may argue about fuel duty etc.etc. but this is unbelievably crude
in terms of road pricing as to be ignored.

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Diversity Isn't A Codeword For Anti-White wrote:

"Chris Jones" wrote in message
...

Rural bus services are under threat because no one uses them, and those
that do are probably recieving about 10 subsidy per journey.


And even less people would if motoring was cheaper in rural areas due to


the

congestion tax.


A congestion charge would help more marginal public transport systems
pay for themselves, and the business about train overcrowding can be
solved by allowing companies to charge higher fares on the basis that it
must be used to improve the service - which has a 2 fold benefit of
an immediate reduction in demand (due to higher prices)


So it ends up where people can no longer afford to drive, and they can't
afford to take the train either, so everybody just sits at home all day


and

the economy goes to pot. Great thinking.



you missed out saying that if more money was spent on road maintenance
rather than being stolen by the government to waste on crap like economic
migrants and if councils stopped purposely creating congestion(for their
congestion tax), then traffic would move much quicker.


Do you mean the money raised by road tax and tax on fuel? ie the taxes
/already/ levied on the motorist? I completely agree.





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