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Hackney Gazette reports that the ELL is opening on 23 May, two months
ahead of schedule.

Also that old tram sheds in Clapton are doomed, possibly.

http://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/cont...s/story.aspx?b
rand=HKYGOnline&category=news&tBrand=northlondon24 &tCategory=newshkyg&ite
mid=WeED05%20Jan%202010%2011%3A38%3A06%3A463



E.

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eastender wrote:
Hackney Gazette reports that the ELL is opening on 23 May, two months
ahead of schedule.

23rd May is the next NR timetable change date, and that has been expected
for a while now, as in railway terms that is 'summer 2010'.

But according to the current NR timetable they (ie NR) were expecting the
new service to start in April anyway (but probably only on the ELL itself -
because to run to Croydon and Crystal Palace requires the existing SN
timetable to be seriously changed.)

Previous posts have suggested local passengers will be involved in trials of
the new line beforehand as well...

Paul S

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On Jan 7, 12:03*pm, eastender wrote:
Hackney Gazette reports that the ELL is opening on 23 May, two months
ahead of schedule.

Also that old tram sheds in Clapton are doomed, possibly.

http://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/cont.../news/story.as...
rand=HKYGOnline&category=news&tBrand=northlondon24 &tCategory=newshkyg&ite
mid=WeED05%20Jan%202010%2011%3A38%3A06%3A463

E.

Maybe this link could be sent to tinyurl.com ?

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CJB wrote:

Maybe this link could be sent to tinyurl.com ?

If you put a long link inside angle brackets, most newsreaders will leave it
intact and you avoid the security issues with URL obfuscators.

http://www.hackneygazette.co.uk/content/hackney/gazette/news/story.aspx?brand=HKYGOnline&category=news&tBrand=n orthlondon24&tCategory=newshkyg&itemid=WeED05%20Ja n%202010%2011%3A38%3A06%3A463

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"Paul Corfield" wrote in message
...

One thing I would like to understand is whether it will be possible for
TfL to run any sort of "ghost" timetable south of New Cross Gate on NR
metals prior to 23/5/10? Given that a major recast of Southern
services is required there must be a risk that LOROL "debug" the new bit
north of New Cross Gate but then find it a struggle to get to grips with
the service carrying on to Crystal Palace and West Croydon.

News just in Paul. A supplementary track access has been agreed, allowing
for 15 slots per day in each direction from 17th Jan until the timetable
change date:

http://www.rail-reg.gov.uk/upload/pd...ion-letter.pdf

I read elsewhere that the signalled connections to NR were meant to come
into full time use last weekend, but the up connection signals at least were
bagged over today .

Still, should see some 378s out and about through Sydenham pretty soon
now...

Paul S

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On 19.01.10 22:38, Paul Scott wrote:
"Paul wrote in message
...

One thing I would like to understand is whether it will be possible for
TfL to run any sort of "ghost" timetable south of New Cross Gate on NR
metals prior to 23/5/10? Given that a major recast of Southern
services is required there must be a risk that LOROL "debug" the new bit
north of New Cross Gate but then find it a struggle to get to grips with
the service carrying on to Crystal Palace and West Croydon.

News just in Paul. A supplementary track access has been agreed, allowing
for 15 slots per day in each direction from 17th Jan until the timetable
change date:

http://www.rail-reg.gov.uk/upload/pd...ion-letter.pdf

I read elsewhere that the signalled connections to NR were meant to come
into full time use last weekend, but the up connection signals at least were
bagged over today .

Still, should see some 378s out and about through Sydenham pretty soon
now...

Paul S


I would imagine that there are plenty to go around if building work is
finished and approved ahead of schedule?

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wrote in message
...
On 19.01.10 22:38, Paul Scott wrote:
"Paul wrote in message
...

One thing I would like to understand is whether it will be possible for
TfL to run any sort of "ghost" timetable south of New Cross Gate on NR
metals prior to 23/5/10? Given that a major recast of Southern
services is required there must be a risk that LOROL "debug" the new bit
north of New Cross Gate but then find it a struggle to get to grips with
the service carrying on to Crystal Palace and West Croydon.

News just in Paul. A supplementary track access has been agreed, allowing
for 15 slots per day in each direction from 17th Jan until the timetable
change date:

http://www.rail-reg.gov.uk/upload/pd...ion-letter.pdf

I read elsewhere that the signalled connections to NR were meant to come
into full time use last weekend, but the up connection signals at least
were
bagged over today .

Still, should see some 378s out and about through Sydenham pretty soon
now...

I would imagine that there are plenty to go around if building work is
finished and approved ahead of schedule?

The 378s? Somewhat behind schedule I think, although there are plenty of the
ELL variety available now. 10 or more units sitting at NXG depot as of
yesterday. But 378/0s for the NLL/DC lines seem to have ceased being
delivered for the moment.

Paul

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On 20.01.10 9:28, Paul Scott wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 19.01.10 22:38, Paul Scott wrote:
"Paul wrote in message
...

One thing I would like to understand is whether it will be possible for
TfL to run any sort of "ghost" timetable south of New Cross Gate on NR
metals prior to 23/5/10? Given that a major recast of Southern
services is required there must be a risk that LOROL "debug" the new bit
north of New Cross Gate but then find it a struggle to get to grips with
the service carrying on to Crystal Palace and West Croydon.

News just in Paul. A supplementary track access has been agreed, allowing
for 15 slots per day in each direction from 17th Jan until the timetable
change date:

http://www.rail-reg.gov.uk/upload/pd...ion-letter.pdf

I read elsewhere that the signalled connections to NR were meant to come
into full time use last weekend, but the up connection signals at least
were
bagged over today .

Still, should see some 378s out and about through Sydenham pretty soon
now...

I would imagine that there are plenty to go around if building work is
finished and approved ahead of schedule?

The 378s? Somewhat behind schedule I think, although there are plenty of the
ELL variety available now. 10 or more units sitting at NXG depot as of
yesterday. But 378/0s for the NLL/DC lines seem to have ceased being
delivered for the moment.

Paul


My mistake -- I meant to ask if contractors and their crews would
receive bonusses for finishing work ahead of schedule.

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"eastender" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Paul Scott" wrote:

But according to the current NR timetable they (ie NR) were expecting the
new service to start in April anyway (but probably only on the ELL
tself -
because to run to Croydon and Crystal Palace requires the existing SN
timetable to be seriously changed.)

Indeed - looks like it's been handed over now and services could well
run from 4 April.

See...

See also other recent posts in this thread...

Paul S

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On Jan 20, 9:28*am, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
wrote in message

...





On 19.01.10 22:38, Paul Scott wrote:
"Paul *wrote in message
. ..

One thing I would like to understand is whether it will be possible for
TfL to run any sort of "ghost" timetable south of New Cross Gate on NR
metals prior to 23/5/10? * Given that a major recast of Southern
services is required there must be a risk that LOROL "debug" the new bit
north of New Cross Gate but then find it a struggle to get to grips with
the service carrying on to Crystal Palace and West Croydon.

News just in Paul. A supplementary track access has been agreed, allowing
for 15 slots per day in each direction from 17th Jan until the timetable
change date:

http://www.rail-reg.gov.uk/upload/pd...ion-letter.pdf

I read elsewhere that the signalled connections to NR were meant to come
into full time use last weekend, but the up connection signals at least
were
bagged over today .

Still, should see some 378s out and about through Sydenham pretty soon
now...

I would imagine that there are plenty to go around if building work is
finished and approved ahead of schedule?

The 378s? Somewhat behind schedule I think, although there are plenty of the
ELL variety available now. 10 or more units sitting at NXG depot as of
yesterday. *But 378/0s for the NLL/DC lines seem to have ceased being
delivered for the moment.


The deliveries of the 378/1s for the ELL are pretty much on schedule
(I think units 136-152 have already arrived, just leaving 132-135 and
153 still to come). The rate of deliveries of the 378/0s may have
slowed down, but there have been at least two arriving at Willesden
this month (006 and 003).

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On Jan 24, 11:19*am, Andy wrote:
On Jan 20, 9:28*am, "Paul Scott"
wrote:





wrote in message

...

On 19.01.10 22:38, Paul Scott wrote:
"Paul *wrote in message
. ..

One thing I would like to understand is whether it will be possible for
TfL to run any sort of "ghost" timetable south of New Cross Gate on NR
metals prior to 23/5/10? * Given that a major recast of Southern
services is required there must be a risk that LOROL "debug" the new bit
north of New Cross Gate but then find it a struggle to get to grips with
the service carrying on to Crystal Palace and West Croydon.

News just in Paul. A supplementary track access has been agreed, allowing
for 15 slots per day in each direction from 17th Jan until the timetable
change date:

http://www.rail-reg.gov.uk/upload/pd...ion-letter.pdf

I read elsewhere that the signalled connections to NR were meant to come
into full time use last weekend, but the up connection signals at least
were
bagged over today .

Still, should see some 378s out and about through Sydenham pretty soon
now...

I would imagine that there are plenty to go around if building work is
finished and approved ahead of schedule?

The 378s? Somewhat behind schedule I think, although there are plenty of the
ELL variety available now. 10 or more units sitting at NXG depot as of
yesterday. *But 378/0s for the NLL/DC lines seem to have ceased being
delivered for the moment.

The deliveries of the 378/1s for the ELL are pretty much on schedule
(I think units 136-152 have already arrived, just leaving 132-135 and
153 still to come). The rate of deliveries of the 378/0s may have
slowed down, but there have been at least two arriving at Willesden
this month (006 and 003).

plus 154 still to arrive from the 378/1s, just realised that I'd
missed it.

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"Andy" wrote
Andy wrote:
"Paul Scott" wrte

The 378s? Somewhat behind schedule I think, although there are plenty
of the ELL variety available now. 10 or more units sitting at NXG depot
as of yesterday. But 378/0s for the NLL/DC lines seem to have ceased
being delivered for the moment.

The deliveries of the 378/1s for the ELL are pretty much on schedule (I
think units 136-152 have already arrived, just leaving 132-135 and 153
still to come). The rate of deliveries of the 378/0s may have slowed
down, but there have been at least two arriving at Willesden this month
(006 and 003).

plus 154 still to arrive from the 378/1s, just realised that I'd missed
it.

That doesn't quite agree with what Platform 5 say the batches are. They (in
their new 2010 book) have:
378001-024 (to become 201-224): 3-car (to become 4-car) AC/DC units.
378225-234 4-car AC/DC units, + possibly the three extra units 378255-257.
378135-154 4-car DC units.

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On Jan 24, 12:58*pm, "John Salmon" wrote:
"Andy" wrote

Andy wrote:
"Paul Scott" wrte
The 378s? Somewhat behind schedule I think, although there are plenty
of the ELL variety available now. 10 or more units sitting at NXG depot
as of yesterday. But 378/0s for the NLL/DC lines seem to have ceased
being delivered for the moment.
The deliveries of the 378/1s for the ELL are pretty much on schedule (I
think units 136-152 have already arrived, just leaving 132-135 and 153
still to come). The rate of deliveries of the 378/0s may have slowed
down, but there have been at least two arriving at Willesden this month
(006 and 003).
plus 154 still to arrive from the 378/1s, just realised that I'd missed
it.

That doesn't quite agree with what Platform 5 say the batches are. *They (in
their new 2010 book) have:
378001-024 (to become 201-224): 3-car (to become 4-car) AC/DC units.
378225-234 4-car AC/DC units, + possibly the three extra units 378255-257..
378135-154 4-car DC units.

Gahhh, the joys of being interrupted when posting!! I was busy
changing the typo of 132 to 135 (and adding 154) but must have come
back and put a - in instead of deleting and missed the 154.

So it should have read: just units 135 and 153-154 still to come (from
the ELL units) and so the 378/1s are nearly complete and on schedule.
Deliveries of the 378/0 units have been continuing, just more slowly
with units 006 and 003 delivered this month.

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On 24.01.10 11:19, Andy wrote:
On Jan 20, 9:28 am, "Paul
wrote:
wrote in message

...





On 19.01.10 22:38, Paul Scott wrote:
"Paul wrote in message
...

One thing I would like to understand is whether it will be possible for
TfL to run any sort of "ghost" timetable south of New Cross Gate on NR
metals prior to 23/5/10? Given that a major recast of Southern
services is required there must be a risk that LOROL "debug" the new bit
north of New Cross Gate but then find it a struggle to get to grips with
the service carrying on to Crystal Palace and West Croydon.

News just in Paul. A supplementary track access has been agreed, allowing
for 15 slots per day in each direction from 17th Jan until the timetable
change date:

http://www.rail-reg.gov.uk/upload/pd...ion-letter.pdf

I read elsewhere that the signalled connections to NR were meant to come
into full time use last weekend, but the up connection signals at least
were
bagged over today .

Still, should see some 378s out and about through Sydenham pretty soon
now...

I would imagine that there are plenty to go around if building work is
finished and approved ahead of schedule?

The 378s? Somewhat behind schedule I think, although there are plenty of the
ELL variety available now. 10 or more units sitting at NXG depot as of
yesterday. But 378/0s for the NLL/DC lines seem to have ceased being
delivered for the moment.


The deliveries of the 378/1s for the ELL are pretty much on schedule
(I think units 136-152 have already arrived, just leaving 132-135 and
153 still to come). The rate of deliveries of the 378/0s may have
slowed down, but there have been at least two arriving at Willesden
this month (006 and 003).

Is that why 313s are still operating on the line?

Because I had heard that they were due to be pulled from NLL by
December, yet they are still running.

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On Jan 24, 2:03*pm, "
wrote:
On 24.01.10 11:19, Andy wrote:





On Jan 20, 9:28 am, "Paul
wrote:
*wrote in message

...

On 19.01.10 22:38, Paul Scott wrote:
"Paul * *wrote in message
m...

One thing I would like to understand is whether it will be possible for
TfL to run any sort of "ghost" timetable south of New Cross Gate on NR
metals prior to 23/5/10? * Given that a major recast of Southern
services is required there must be a risk that LOROL "debug" the new bit
north of New Cross Gate but then find it a struggle to get to grips with
the service carrying on to Crystal Palace and West Croydon.

News just in Paul. A supplementary track access has been agreed, allowing
for 15 slots per day in each direction from 17th Jan until the timetable
change date:

http://www.rail-reg.gov.uk/upload/pd...ion-letter.pdf

I read elsewhere that the signalled connections to NR were meant to come
into full time use last weekend, but the up connection signals at least
were
bagged over today .

Still, should see some 378s out and about through Sydenham pretty soon
now...

I would imagine that there are plenty to go around if building work is
finished and approved ahead of schedule?

The 378s? Somewhat behind schedule I think, although there are plenty of the
ELL variety available now. 10 or more units sitting at NXG depot as of
yesterday. *But 378/0s for the NLL/DC lines seem to have ceased being
delivered for the moment.

The deliveries of the 378/1s for the ELL are pretty much on schedule
(I think units 136-152 have already arrived, just leaving 132-135 and
153 still to come). The rate of deliveries of the 378/0s may have
slowed down, but there have been at least two arriving at Willesden
this month (006 and 003).

Is that why 313s are still operating on the line?

Because I had heard that they were due to be pulled from NLL by
December, yet they are still running.

Yes, there are not quite enough commissioned 378s for the NLL to
switch completely over (I think there are 16 diagrams on the NLL and
WLL combined and units on the two routes intermix in the peaks).

The units still don't appear to be allowed in service on the DC lines,
something to do with the one person operation.

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In article
,
(Andy) wrote:

The units still don't appear to be allowed in service on the DC lines,
something to do with the one person operation.

Huh? They can't run over the whole NLL/WLL? Or they can't go on the ELL?
Why would DOO come into it?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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On Jan 24, 2:40*pm, wrote:
In article
,

(Andy) wrote:
The units still don't appear to be allowed in service on the DC lines,
something to do with the one person operation.

Huh? They can't run over the whole NLL/WLL? Or they can't go on the ELL?
Why would DOO come into it?


The DC lines being the Euston - Watford 'local' lines. This is the
only route where LO use Driver Only Operation, hence delays in
introducing the 378s.

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On 24 Jan, 14:53, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 08:40:03 -0600,
wrote:

In article
,
(Andy) wrote:

The units still don't appear to be allowed in service on the DC lines,
something to do with the one person operation.

Huh? They can't run over the whole NLL/WLL? Or they can't go on the ELL?
Why would DOO come into it?

They clearly can run on the NLL and WLL - they do say M-S. There's next
to no Sunday *service at present.

I think the reference is to the Euston - Watford service which was
always going to be last to get the 378s. I've not read or seen a photo
saying that they have run on the Watford DC service yet.

They've certainly been physically there, but presumably not in
passenger service (one can't tell as one passes on another track).
There was one at Euston on Thursday.

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On Jan 24, 2:53*pm, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 08:40:03 -0600,
wrote:

In article
,
(Andy) wrote:

The units still don't appear to be allowed in service on the DC lines,
something to do with the one person operation.

Huh? They can't run over the whole NLL/WLL? Or they can't go on the ELL?
Why would DOO come into it?

They clearly can run on the NLL and WLL - they do say M-S. There's next
to no Sunday *service at present.


They also run the Shepherd's Bush - Clapham Junction Sunday service (I
think both diagrams here are now scheduled 378s).

I think the reference is to the Euston - Watford service which was
always going to be last to get the 378s. I've not read or seen a photo
saying that they have run on the Watford DC service yet.

They've run one passenger service on the Watford service, some time
ago. I think this train had a second driver acting as conductor for
operating the doors. They do spend a fair amount of time running back
and forward Euston - Watford Junction on commissioning runs.

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On Jan 24, 2:40*pm, wrote:

(Andy) wrote:
The units still don't appear to be allowed in service on the DC lines,
something to do with the one person operation.

Huh? They can't run over the whole NLL/WLL? Or they can't go on the ELL?
Why would DOO come into it?

The "DC Line(s)" is one of the names given to the Watford Junction to
Euston local line - i.e. the one with the stopping service - it's also
known as the "New Line". The DC Line name comes from the fact they're
electrified by DC third rail / fourth rail on the joint running
section with the Bakerloo. The service is now run by London Overground
(used to be Silverlink Metro) and appears on the Tube map.

The NLL/WLL were never converted for DOO, but the DC Line was. For
whatever reason there's some issue with the 378s running on DOO mode,
so they haven't appeared in service on the DC Line.

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On Jan 24, 2:53*pm, Paul Corfield wrote:

On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 08:40:03 -0600,
wrote:

(Andy) wrote:
The units still don't appear to be allowed in service on the DC lines,
something to do with the one person operation.

Huh? They can't run over the whole NLL/WLL? Or they can't go on the ELL?
Why would DOO come into it?

They clearly can run on the NLL and WLL - they do say M-S. There's next
to no Sunday *service at present.

I think the reference is to the Euston - Watford service which was
always going to be last to get the 378s. I've not read or seen a photo
saying that they have run on the Watford DC service yet.

Originally it was said that the 378s would be deployed on the DC Line
first, with the NLL/WLL coming later.

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Mizter T wrote:

The NLL/WLL were never converted for DOO, but the DC Line was. For
whatever reason there's some issue with the 378s running on DOO mode,
so they haven't appeared in service on the DC Line.

Given the route is already DOO, the basic class of train is already in
widespread use in DOO areas, and Bombardier are unlikely to have 'reinvented
the wheel' equipment wise, you would hope it's a minor issue.

Maybe the drivers want extra cash for looking at internal monitors rather
than external mirrors or something...

Paul S

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On Jan 24, 5:50*pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

Mizter T wrote:
The NLL/WLL were never converted for DOO, but the DC Line was. For
whatever reason there's some issue with the 378s running on DOO mode,
so they haven't appeared in service on the DC Line.

Given the route is already DOO, the basic class of train is already in
widespread use in DOO areas, and Bombardier are unlikely to have 'reinvented
the wheel' equipment wise, you would hope it's a minor issue.

Maybe the drivers want extra cash for looking at internal monitors rather
than external mirrors or something...

There were those rumblings of discontent at LOROL a while back. Did
the RMT go on a membership drive after the establishment of LO and
LOROL...

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On Jan 24, 5:50*pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
Mizter T wrote:
The NLL/WLL were never converted for DOO, but the DC Line was. For
whatever reason there's some issue with the 378s running on DOO mode,
so they haven't appeared in service on the DC Line.

Given the route is already DOO, the basic class of train is already in
widespread use in DOO areas, and Bombardier are unlikely to have 'reinvented
the wheel' equipment wise, you would hope it's a minor issue.

Maybe the drivers want extra cash for looking at internal monitors rather
than external mirrors or something...


Might just be lack of training, of course. Also I don't know whether
their might be problems at Bushey with the extremely curved platforms.
Does the Electrostar DOO have a separate camera for each coach.

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On Jan 24, 7:03*pm, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:34:56 -0800 (PST), Mizter T
wrote:







On Jan 24, 5:50*pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

Mizter T wrote:
The NLL/WLL were never converted for DOO, but the DC Line was. For
whatever reason there's some issue with the 378s running on DOO mode,
so they haven't appeared in service on the DC Line.

Given the route is already DOO, the basic class of train is already in
widespread use in DOO areas, and Bombardier are unlikely to have 'reinvented
the wheel' equipment wise, you would hope it's a minor issue.

Maybe the drivers want extra cash for looking at internal monitors rather
than external mirrors or something...

There were those rumblings of discontent at LOROL a while back. Did
the RMT go on a membership drive after the establishment of LO and
LOROL...

My guess as to the reason for the delay will be to do with the camera /
monitor interface. The DC line is peculiar because it has the
interworking with the Bakerloo line whose stock is of a very different
profile. *I also believe that the responsibility for the CCTV system
varies depending on location *and* platform direction. Getting it all
correctly aligned and working for three stocks is probably proving more
than a little difficult. *The unions may be somewhere in the background
but probably only in the context of safety - there are formal procedures
and consultation over things like the platform / train interface.

I understood that the Electrostar family CCTV was all done via on-
board cameras though, so the existing system for 313s and Bakerloo
stock will not be used by the 378s.

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Andy wrote:

Might just be lack of training, of course. Also I don't know whether
their might be problems at Bushey with the extremely curved platforms.
Does the Electrostar DOO have a separate camera for each coach.

Yes it does - that's why I don't think there should be a 'technology reason'
for the slow introduction - unless they really are trying to integrate the
platform cameras with the trains as well. All a bit odd isn't it...

Paul S

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In article
,
(Mizter T) wrote:

On Jan 24, 2:40*pm, wrote:

(Andy) wrote:
The units still don't appear to be allowed in service on the DC
lines, something to do with the one person operation.

Huh? They can't run over the whole NLL/WLL? Or they can't go on the
ELL? Why would DOO come into it?

The "DC Line(s)" is one of the names given to the Watford Junction to
Euston local line - i.e. the one with the stopping service - it's also
known as the "New Line". The DC Line name comes from the fact they're
electrified by DC third rail / fourth rail on the joint running section
with the Bakerloo. The service is now run by London Overground
(used to be Silverlink Metro) and appears on the Tube map.

Yes of course! I was thinking of stock not lines. I'm fully aware that the
Euston-Watford slow lines are the DC Lines but wasn't thinking in that
context.

The NLL/WLL were never converted for DOO, but the DC Line was. For
whatever reason there's some issue with the 378s running on DOO mode,
so they haven't appeared in service on the DC Line.

Thanks for the clarification by everyone in this thread.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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Paul Scott wrote:
Andy wrote:

Might just be lack of training, of course. Also I don't know whether
their might be problems at Bushey with the extremely curved
platforms. Does the Electrostar DOO have a separate camera for each
coach.

Yes it does - that's why I don't think there should be a 'technology
reason' for the slow introduction - unless they really are trying to
integrate the platform cameras with the trains as well. All a bit odd
isn't it...

A comment from 'Dazz285' in London Reconnections suggests it is the ambient
light level on the platforms that needs improving.

I wonder if the lighting was upgraded on the SN network for their onboard
CCTV?

Paul S