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On 22 Feb, 10:09, " wrote:
On Feb 22, 9:34 am, "Ian F." wrote:

"Offramp" wrote in message

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LOROL! The yokels at The Sunday Times don't know that the 25 is a
bendibus.

What is there in that story to say that they don't know it's a bendy bus?

Ian

Presumably the fact that the reporter was naive enough to think that
they (or anyone else) actually paid 2 for the journey!

Yes... That was it. The reporter thought that the customers paid £2
for each journey. No one paid anything, ever. I lik ethe buses but the
agglomeration of heroin addicts on some routes was too much.

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On Feb 22, 4:45*pm, Offramp wrote:

On 22 Feb, 10:09, " wrote:

On Feb 22, 9:34 am, "Ian F." wrote:

"Offramp" wrote:

LOROL! The yokels at The Sunday Times don't know that the 25 is a
bendibus.

What is there in that story to say that they don't know it's a bendy bus?

Presumably the fact that the reporter was naive enough to think that
they (or anyone else) actually paid 2 for the journey!

Yes... That was it. The reporter thought that the customers paid £2
for each journey. No one paid anything, ever. I like the buses but the
agglomeration of heroin addicts on some routes was too much.

Which routes?

I did once hound off a couple of high-as-kites scaggies from a Red
Arrow bendy. Quite enjoyable - they were so paranoid and yet so
utterly desperate to argue that they were level-headed, sane
individuals. But that's no different from many proper addicts.

Oh, and if you're trying to say that no bendy bus passengers ever pay
for their journey, that's quite wrong. Fare evasion is certainly
higher than other buses, no doubt (I'd say that's almost an
inevitability), but it's ******** to say most people don't pay when
they do.

FWIW, I really do think there's an argument in saying that the layout
of bendy buses works to provide a safe environment in the sense that
all passengers are easily visible to each other - for example compare
it with the back of a top-deck, which is the classic haunt of ne'er-do-
wells. (Though it's often just folk trying to perpetrate a shifty
image rather than actually doing anything.)

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On 22 Feb, 17:44, Mizter T wrote:
On Feb 22, 4:45*pm, Offramp wrote:



On 22 Feb, 10:09, " wrote:

On Feb 22, 9:34 am, "Ian F." wrote:

"Offramp" wrote:

LOROL! The yokels at The Sunday Times don't know that the 25 is a
bendibus.

What is there in that story to say that they don't know it's a bendy bus?

Presumably the fact that the reporter was naive enough to think that
they (or anyone else) actually paid 2 for the journey!

Yes... That was it. The reporter thought that the customers paid £2
for each journey. No one paid anything, ever. I like the buses but the
agglomeration of heroin addicts on some routes was too much.

Which routes?

I did once hound off a couple of high-as-kites scaggies from a Red
Arrow bendy. Quite enjoyable - they were so paranoid and yet so
utterly desperate to argue that they were level-headed, sane
individuals. But that's no different from many proper addicts.

Oh, and if you're trying to say that no bendy bus passengers ever pay
for their journey, that's quite wrong. Fare evasion is certainly
higher than other buses, no doubt (I'd say that's almost an
inevitability), but it's ******** to say most people don't pay when
they do.

FWIW, I really do think there's an argument in saying that the layout
of bendy buses works to provide a safe environment in the sense that
all passengers are easily visible to each other - for example compare
it with the back of a top-deck, which is the classic haunt of ne'er-do-
wells. (Though it's often just folk trying to perpetrate a shifty
image rather than actually doing anything.)

My experience is almost entirely on the 436. It is hard to say how
many people have valid tickets. People with paper tickets need do
nothing, and people with any non-PAYG Oyster should touch in but will
probably get away with not doing so if checked.

I will really miss the bendies, both as a father of two who found them
so easy to use and as a commuter who found them easy and fast to get
on and off of.

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On 22.02.10 18:37, Offramp wrote:
On 22 Feb, 17:44, Mizter wrote:
On Feb 22, 4:45 pm, wrote:



On 22 Feb, 10:09, wrote:

On Feb 22, 9:34 am, "Ian wrote:

wrote:

LOROL! The yokels at The Sunday Times don't know that the 25 is a
bendibus.

What is there in that story to say that they don't know it's a bendy bus?

Presumably the fact that the reporter was naive enough to think that
they (or anyone else) actually paid 2 for the journey!

Yes... That was it. The reporter thought that the customers paid £2
for each journey. No one paid anything, ever. I like the buses but the
agglomeration of heroin addicts on some routes was too much.

Which routes?

I did once hound off a couple of high-as-kites scaggies from a Red
Arrow bendy. Quite enjoyable - they were so paranoid and yet so
utterly desperate to argue that they were level-headed, sane
individuals. But that's no different from many proper addicts.

Oh, and if you're trying to say that no bendy bus passengers ever pay
for their journey, that's quite wrong. Fare evasion is certainly
higher than other buses, no doubt (I'd say that's almost an
inevitability), but it's ******** to say most people don't pay when
they do.

FWIW, I really do think there's an argument in saying that the layout
of bendy buses works to provide a safe environment in the sense that
all passengers are easily visible to each other - for example compare
it with the back of a top-deck, which is the classic haunt of ne'er-do-
wells. (Though it's often just folk trying to perpetrate a shifty
image rather than actually doing anything.)

My experience is almost entirely on the 436. It is hard to say how
many people have valid tickets. People with paper tickets need do
nothing, and people with any non-PAYG Oyster should touch in but will
probably get away with not doing so if checked.

I will really miss the bendies, both as a father of two who found them
so easy to use and as a commuter who found them easy and fast to get
on and off of.

Which bus route is the next to see them go?

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On 22 Feb, 18:37, Offramp wrote:
On 22 Feb, 17:44, Mizter T wrote:





On Feb 22, 4:45*pm, Offramp wrote:

On 22 Feb, 10:09, " wrote:

On Feb 22, 9:34 am, "Ian F." wrote:

"Offramp" wrote:

LOROL! The yokels at The Sunday Times don't know that the 25 is a
bendibus.

What is there in that story to say that they don't know it's a bendy bus?

Presumably the fact that the reporter was naive enough to think that
they (or anyone else) actually paid 2 for the journey!

Yes... That was it. The reporter thought that the customers paid £2
for each journey. No one paid anything, ever. I like the buses but the
agglomeration of heroin addicts on some routes was too much.

Which routes?

I did once hound off a couple of high-as-kites scaggies from a Red
Arrow bendy. Quite enjoyable - they were so paranoid and yet so
utterly desperate to argue that they were level-headed, sane
individuals. But that's no different from many proper addicts.

Oh, and if you're trying to say that no bendy bus passengers ever pay
for their journey, that's quite wrong. Fare evasion is certainly
higher than other buses, no doubt (I'd say that's almost an
inevitability), but it's ******** to say most people don't pay when
they do.

FWIW, I really do think there's an argument in saying that the layout
of bendy buses works to provide a safe environment in the sense that
all passengers are easily visible to each other - for example compare
it with the back of a top-deck, which is the classic haunt of ne'er-do-
wells. (Though it's often just folk trying to perpetrate a shifty
image rather than actually doing anything.)

My experience is almost entirely on the 436. It is hard to say how
many people have valid tickets. People with paper tickets need do
nothing, and people with any non-PAYG Oyster should touch in but will
probably get away with not doing so if checked.

No, it's not hard to know how many people have valid tickets. You
already know that no one paid anything, ever, or you wouldn't have
said so.

And "get away with" what exactly?


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On 22 Feb, 22:27, MIG wrote:
On 22 Feb, 18:37, Offramp wrote:

People with paper tickets need do
nothing, and people with any non-PAYG Oyster should touch in but will
probably get away with not doing so if checked.

And "get away with" what exactly?

People with period travelcards loaded on Oyster cards should touch in
on all buses. However, if they do not, I imagine that they will get
away with it, ie if checked they will not be penalized.

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On 22 Feb, 23:34, Offramp wrote:
On 22 Feb, 22:27, MIG wrote:

On 22 Feb, 18:37, Offramp wrote:
People with paper tickets need do
nothing, and people with any non-PAYG Oyster should touch in but will
probably get away with not doing so if checked.
And "get away with" what exactly?

People with period travelcards loaded on Oyster cards should touch in
on all buses. However, if they do not, I imagine that they will get
away with it, ie if checked they will not be penalized.

And what do they get away with? How do they gain?

It's a rule created purely for the purpose of catching people out for
breaking a rule. Typical of the rules surrounding the introduction of
Oyster (and crooks like Ryanair of course).

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On Feb 22, 11:34*pm, Offramp wrote:

On 22 Feb, 22:27, MIG wrote:

On 22 Feb, 18:37, Offramp wrote:
People with paper tickets need do
nothing, and people with any non-PAYG Oyster should touch in but will
probably get away with not doing so if checked.

And "get away with" what exactly?

People with period travelcards loaded on Oyster cards should touch in
on all buses. However, if they do not, I imagine that they will get
away with it, ie if checked they will not be penalized.

Given that the signage displayed on bendy buses *only* requests Oyster
PAYG users to touch in, people with Travelcards and Bus Passes loaded
on Oyster who don't touch-in can hardly be taken as doing something
illicit.

The signage of which I speak is very prominently displayed on both
sides of each of the doors (and on each leaf of those doors too). It
features on each and every single bendy bus, and also on the new
single deck buses on the 'Red Arrow' routes 507 and 521 where 'board
though any door' also applies.

No bus RPI I've ever come across has ever had a problem with holders
of Travelcards and Bus Passes loaded on Oyster not touching in on
bendy buses. The passenger might arguably be indirectly doing
themselves a disservice by omitting their journey from the usage stats
that are derived from the Oyster travel data, but that's another
matter.