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Shouldn't the high speed line run from St Pancras, as an extension (via
reversal) of the Kent domestics?

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On Mar 12, 5:49*am, "Basil Jet"
wrote:
Shouldn't the high speed line run from St Pancras, as an extension (via
reversal) of the Kent domestics?

That would most likely cause a punctuality problem, just like on some
of the long XC routes. And in any case, Euston, unlike St. P, has
spare capacity (especially as the 9tph WCML service is likely to be
thinned out) so is an obvious choice.

Neil

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On Mar 12, 4:49*am, "Basil Jet"
wrote:
Shouldn't the high speed line run from St Pancras, as an extension (via
reversal) of the Kent domestics?

The HS2 plan for Euston is big - a £1 billion rebuild leading to 10
high-speed platforms and 14 'classic' platforms. It also commandeers
some space beyond the western edge of the current station perimeter.

See the PDF leaflet:
http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/rail/pi/hi...df/leaflet.pdf

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In message , at 04:49:03 on Fri,
12 Mar 2010, Basil Jet
remarked:
Shouldn't the high speed line run from St Pancras, as an extension (via
reversal) of the Kent domestics?

Not enough platforms, and there's be the mother of all flat junctions
just outside the station.
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On Mar 12, 9:56*am, Mizter T wrote:

The HS2 plan for Euston is big - a £1 billion rebuild leading to 10
high-speed platforms and 14 'classic' platforms. It also commandeers
some space beyond the western edge of the current station perimeter.

Interesting.

Why on earth build three shorter domestic platforms when there appears
to be room to make them all the same length? (Or are they 16 and 12
rather than 12 and 8-car?)

I wonder what the intention for the Great Hall is? I hope they retain
one and don't go for a lower-ceilinged replacement like the temporary
dump down the road at Kings Cross.

Neil

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On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 10:04:59 +0000
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 04:49:03 on Fri,
12 Mar 2010, Basil Jet
remarked:
Shouldn't the high speed line run from St Pancras, as an extension (via
reversal) of the Kent domestics?

Not enough platforms, and there's be the mother of all flat junctions
just outside the station.

It won't be very attractive to international travellers if once they arrive
at St P. they have to schlep over to euston or paddington with all their
luggage by foot or tube. Would a large junction matter? Its not like theres
trains leaving every minute clapham junction style.

B2003

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On Mar 12, 11:15*am, wrote:

It won't be very attractive to international travellers if once they arrive
at St P. they have to schlep over to euston or paddington with all their
luggage by foot or tube. Would a large junction matter? Its not like theres
trains leaving every minute clapham junction style.

Euston currently has 9tph of IC services. I would anticipate that
most or all of those would be replicated/replaced on the HSL, maybe
more. That's too much for complex junctions.

It's no more or less attractive to international travellers than a
large airport. Better than swapping terminals at Thiefrow, and
probably a shorter walk than between two most distant gates at Gatwick
as well.

And St. P is full. It was too small to start with for what has been
crammed into it, in domestic terms. Yet a move there would leave
Euston only needing about 6-7 of its 17 platforms, which would be a
bit wasteful.

Neil

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In article , d
wrote:

It won't be very attractive to international travellers if once they arrive
at St P. they have to schlep over to euston or paddington with all their
luggage by foot or tube.

Paris is worse - say getting from Gare du Nord to Gare de Lyon. Although
I guess you can go via Charles de Gaulle airport.

E.

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On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:42:54 +0000
eastender wrote:
In article , d
wrote:

It won't be very attractive to international travellers if once they arrive
at St P. they have to schlep over to euston or paddington with all their
luggage by foot or tube.

Paris is worse - say getting from Gare du Nord to Gare de Lyon. Although

Yes , thats true. Though on its rare excursions to the alps eurostar can
skirt paris. I wonder if something similar would be possible with HS2.

B2003

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In message , at 10:15:02 on Fri, 12 Mar
2010, d remarked:
Shouldn't the high speed line run from St Pancras, as an extension (via
reversal) of the Kent domestics?

Not enough platforms, and there's be the mother of all flat junctions
just outside the station.

It won't be very attractive to international travellers if once they arrive
at St P. they have to schlep over to euston or paddington with all their
luggage by foot or tube.

International pax wanting to travel onward have been estimated at just
two trains-full a day, apparently.

Would a large junction matter? Its not like theres trains leaving every
minute clapham junction style.

There would be, once you've combined the HS1 and HS2 traffic.

But there aren't enough platforms, so it's a non-starter.
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Roland Perry