Legal challenges and congestion charging for 30 second journey leaving zone?
 

Helen Deborah Vecht wrote in message
For about half your £1000, you can buy a Brompton folding bike that you
can leave in your boot or under a desk etc. Then you can park your car
outside the CC Zone and whizz to your girlfriend.

You will also find other uses for it...

Thanks Helen, an excellent suggestion.

Nick

Legal challenges and congestion charging for 30 second journey leaving zone?
 

In message , Nick
writes
A charge isn't the problem perse, but more that I
don't get my 5 pounds worth. 25 pence would be more reasonable.

I have some sympathy for this view. The one and only time I've had to
pay a CC was to retrieve my car from a car park on a Tuesday evening,
where it had been since Sunday (no CC), and drive it about a quarter of
a mile on an empty road to Euston. Of course, the next ten miles on
non-CC roads was a nightmare.
--
Roland Perry

Legal challenges and congestion charging for 30 second journey leaving zone?
 

Legal challenges and congestion charging for 30 second journey leaving zone?
 

In message , Steve
writes
Yes, that was the point of the charge, i.e. to increase the movement of
transport in the zone. To argue that because the road was clear you should
not pay is nonsensical.

I'm arguing that it's inequitable for me to pay the whole charge to
drive a very short distance (on a road that pre-congestion-charge was
just as empty) as someone who is using the central roads all day.
--
Roland Perry

Legal challenges and congestion charging for 30 second journey leaving zone?
 

On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 22:24:38 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , Steve
writes
Yes, that was the point of the charge, i.e. to increase the movement of
transport in the zone. To argue that because the road was clear you should
not pay is nonsensical.

I'm arguing that it's inequitable for me to pay the whole charge to
drive a very short distance (on a road that pre-congestion-charge was
just as empty) as someone who is using the central roads all day.

It is inequitable. The Congestion Charge at present is pretty crude.

Maybe the technology and move towards a metered approach?


Rob.
--
rob at robertwoolley dot co dot uk

Legal challenges and congestion charging for 30 second journey leaving zone?
 

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , Steve
writes
Yes, that was the point of the charge, i.e. to increase the movement of
transport in the zone. To argue that because the road was clear you
should
not pay is nonsensical.

I'm arguing that it's inequitable for me to pay the whole charge to
drive a very short distance (on a road that pre-congestion-charge was
just as empty) as someone who is using the central roads all day.
--

If leeway was given to people going a hundred yards inside the zone then the
people going two hundred yards would whinge. If the rules were relaxed to
allow them to get away with it that means that the zone is reduced in size.
The people a hundred yards inside that boundary would also whinge and the
boundary gets moved again and eventually we end up with the original
situation.

All such measures are inequitable to some. However in order to resolve a
problem a line has to be drawn somewhere, that line was drawn at a given
point on the ground and made obvious to all. You crossed it knowingly.

Legal challenges and congestion charging for 30 second journey leaving zone?
 

On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 00:30:32 +0000, Robert Woolley
wrote:

It is inequitable. The Congestion Charge at present is pretty crude.

Maybe the technology and move towards a metered approach?

Why? The charge is arguably more aimed at preventing avoidable
journeys, of which many are short.

If someone has a need to drive around *all day* within the Zone, and
are willing to pay all the other charges associated with this (parking
etc), they probably have a genuine need for their vehicle.

This is the reason, incidentally, why there is no season ticket/block
booking facility (other than for residents). It is supposed to be as
inconvenient/expensive as possible - not to be made easy.

Neil

--
Neil Williams
is a valid email address, but is sent to /dev/null.
Try my first name at the above domain instead if you want to e-mail me.

Legal challenges and congestion charging for 30 second journey leaving zone?
 

In message , Cast_Iron
writes
that line was drawn at a given
point on the ground and made obvious to all. You crossed it knowingly.

sigh Yes, London is full GO AWAY. (And I have).
--
Roland Perry

Legal challenges and congestion charging for 30 second journey leaving zone?
 

Neil Williams wrote:
wrote:

It is inequitable. The Congestion Charge at present is pretty crude.

Maybe the technology and move towards a metered approach?

Why? The charge is arguably more aimed at preventing avoidable
journeys, of which many are short.

If someone has a need to drive around *all day* within the Zone, and
are willing to pay all the other charges associated with this (parking
etc), they probably have a genuine need for their vehicle.

This is the reason, incidentally, why there is no season ticket/block
booking facility (other than for residents). It is supposed to be as
inconvenient/expensive as possible - not to be made easy.

And that's bad policy! Making it expensive is OK, because at least TfL
get the money - but making it inconvenient is just stupid - businesses
lose much of the benefit that the congestion charge would have brought,
and TfL get nothing.

Legal challenges and congestion charging for 30 second journey leaving zone?