How many of these sets are now in use? I commute each day Seven
Sisters/Tottenham Hale to Central London and still haven't seen one
running...


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On Tue, 04 May 2010 20:08:41 +0100
Phil Richards wrote:
How many of these sets are now in use? I commute each day Seven
Sisters/Tottenham Hale to Central London and still haven't seen one
running...

I went past the depot by train on a sunday a few weeks ago and only saw 1 set
sitting there though of course any others could have been in service.

B2003

I travelled on one today, and was not impressed.

The good points - bright lighting, smoother ride, more standing space

But the downside of the last point is less seating space. The seating
follows the current fashion of being all sideways, which personally I
detest. Crabs evolved to travel sideways, humans go forwards.
Another drawback is that is much harder to see out of the window. Now
I know that isn't an issue on the Victoria Line, which is all
underground, but on other lines which do have surface sections it adds
to the frustrations of travel. The seats themselves seem to have been
designed for midgets, with inadequate depth for an average sized adult
male and very thin upholstery.

Some tube journeys can be quite long - I have a regular trip between
Totteridge and Whetstone and South Wimbledon which takes one hour ten
minutes, and I wish transport chiefs would pay a little more attention
to the comfort of such passengers rather than basing the designs on
the needs of short distance commuters only.

Peter

"peter" wrote in message

I travelled on one today, and was not impressed.

The good points - bright lighting, smoother ride, more standing space

But the downside of the last point is less seating space. The seating
follows the current fashion of being all sideways, which personally I
detest. Crabs evolved to travel sideways, humans go forwards.
Another drawback is that is much harder to see out of the window. Now
I know that isn't an issue on the Victoria Line, which is all
underground, but on other lines which do have surface sections it adds
to the frustrations of travel. The seats themselves seem to have been
designed for midgets, with inadequate depth for an average sized adult
male and very thin upholstery.

Some tube journeys can be quite long - I have a regular trip between
Totteridge and Whetstone and South Wimbledon which takes one hour ten
minutes, and I wish transport chiefs would pay a little more attention
to the comfort of such passengers rather than basing the designs on
the needs of short distance commuters only.

Of course, most Victoria Line journeys are short, and all are entirely
underground. The 2009 stock can't operate on any other Tube line, and
nor will it be the basis for the replacement Piccadilly Line stock
(which is likely to be based on the current Northern Line stock). I
think the limited, harder, mainly/entirely longitudinal seating will be
more of a problem with the new S stock, which will often be used for
much longer journeys on the District and Met lines.

On Fri, 14 May 2010 09:47:16 +0100
"Recliner" wrote:
underground. The 2009 stock can't operate on any other Tube line, and

I wonder if thats really true. The victoria line runs through some old piccadilly
line tunnels at finsbury park and the 2009 stock I rode on managed it without
clipping the tunnel walls.

nor will it be the basis for the replacement Piccadilly Line stock
(which is likely to be based on the current Northern Line stock). I

Lets hope they put the hamsters on some doses of steroids before they supply the
trains. The acceleration of the northern line trains is utterly woeful.

B2003

On 14 May, 10:19, wrote:
On Fri, 14 May 2010 09:47:16 +0100
"Recliner" wrote:
underground. The 2009 stock can't operate on any other Tube line, and
I wonder if thats really true. The victoria line runs through some old piccadilly
line tunnels at finsbury park and the 2009 stock I rode on managed it without
clipping the tunnel walls.


Different signalling systems and method of safe operation. There's
more to it than train/tunnel size.

PhilD

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On Fri, 14 May 2010 03:16:06 -0700 (PDT)
PhilD wrote:
Different signalling systems and method of safe operation. There's
more to it than train/tunnel size.

But the onboard signalling system could be changed. You can't do much about
the size of the train through.

B2003

On 14/05/2010 09:47, Recliner wrote:
wrote in message

I travelled on one today, and was not impressed.

The good points - bright lighting, smoother ride, more standing space

But the downside of the last point is less seating space. The seating
follows the current fashion of being all sideways, which personally I
detest. Crabs evolved to travel sideways, humans go forwards.
Another drawback is that is much harder to see out of the window. Now
I know that isn't an issue on the Victoria Line, which is all
underground, but on other lines which do have surface sections it adds
to the frustrations of travel. The seats themselves seem to have been
designed for midgets, with inadequate depth for an average sized adult
male and very thin upholstery.

Some tube journeys can be quite long - I have a regular trip between
Totteridge and Whetstone and South Wimbledon which takes one hour ten
minutes, and I wish transport chiefs would pay a little more attention
to the comfort of such passengers rather than basing the designs on
the needs of short distance commuters only.

Of course, most Victoria Line journeys are short, and all are entirely
underground. The 2009 stock can't operate on any other Tube line, and
nor will it be the basis for the replacement Piccadilly Line stock
(which is likely to be based on the current Northern Line stock). I
think the limited, harder, mainly/entirely longitudinal seating will be
more of a problem with the new S stock, which will often be used for
much longer journeys on the District and Met lines.


Any idea when and where we might catch sight of/see the S stock?

On 14 May, 23:16, "
wrote:
On 14/05/2010 09:47, Recliner wrote:

*wrote in message

I travelled on one today, and was not impressed.

The good points - bright lighting, smoother ride, more standing space

But the downside of the last point is less seating space. *The seating
follows the current fashion of being all sideways, which personally I
detest. *Crabs evolved to travel sideways, humans go forwards.
Another drawback is that is much harder to see out of the window. Now
I know that isn't an issue on the Victoria Line, which is all
underground, but on other lines which do have surface sections it adds
to the frustrations of travel. *The seats themselves seem to have been
designed for midgets, with inadequate depth for an average sized adult
male and very thin upholstery.

Some tube journeys can be quite long - I have a regular trip between
Totteridge and Whetstone and South Wimbledon which takes one hour ten
minutes, and I wish transport chiefs would pay a little more attention
to the comfort of such passengers rather than basing the designs on
the needs of short distance commuters only.

Of course, most Victoria Line journeys are short, and all are entirely
underground. The 2009 stock can't operate on any other Tube line, and
nor will it be the basis for the replacement Piccadilly Line stock
(which is likely to be based on the current Northern Line stock). I
think the limited, harder, mainly/entirely longitudinal seating will be
more of a problem with the new S stock, which will often be used for
much longer journeys on the District and Met lines.

Any idea when and where we might catch sight of/see the S stock?

They've been running for a while now. A couple of times I've got a
platform to see one departing. Not managed to travel on one yet. Last
I heard, there were 5 sets running (out of how many I don't know).
Don't know if they run specific diagrams either. If so, you might
catch one southbound from Oxford Circus at about 8am.

"Stu" wrote in message

On 14 May, 23:16, "
wrote:
On 14/05/2010 09:47, Recliner wrote:


Of course, most Victoria Line journeys are short, and all are
entirely underground. The 2009 stock can't operate on any other
Tube line, and nor will it be the basis for the replacement
Piccadilly Line stock (which is likely to be based on the current
Northern Line stock). I think the limited, harder, mainly/entirely
longitudinal seating will be more of a problem with the new S
stock, which will often be used for much longer journeys on the
District and Met lines.

Any idea when and where we might catch sight of/see the S stock?

They've been running for a while now. A couple of times I've got a
platform to see one departing. Not managed to travel on one yet. Last
I heard, there were 5 sets running (out of how many I don't know).
Don't know if they run specific diagrams either. If so, you might
catch one southbound from Oxford Circus at about 8am.

No, no S stock trains are in service yet, and they'd need to go on a
starvation diet to squeeze their way down to Oxford Street. I believe
that there is one S stock test train in London, but don't know if it
even has seats fitted. I think they begin to enter service on the
District Line next year.