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Just wondering how the service is being used in the morning peak at the
moment, as I haven't been in London before mid day at all since the preview began, and it's gone a bit quiet on the subject here... Are there signs of many passengers having gone back to changing onto the ELL at NX or NXG, as pre conversion, ie when it was an LU line? Paul S |
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On 17 May, 22:59, "Paul Scott" wrote:
Just wondering how the service is being used in the morning peak at the moment, as I haven't been in London before mid day at all since the preview began, and it's gone a bit quiet on the subject here... Are there signs of many passengers having gone back to changing onto the ELL at NX or NXG, as pre conversion, ie when it was an LU line? Paul S Dunno, but the test runs were out in force south of NXG tonight. |
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On May 17, 10:59*pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote: Just wondering how the service is being used in the morning peak at the moment, as I haven't been in London before mid day at all since the preview began, and it's gone a bit quiet on the subject here... Are there signs of many passengers having gone back to changing onto the ELL at NX or NXG, as pre conversion, ie when it was an LU line? Paul S I have not seen it in the AM peak myself but comments from other groups / blogs suggest that people are changing trains to the ELL at the New Crosses. While ridership is not yet at high levels people are using the line with Canada Water (surprise, surprise) being a busy interchange. When I went to watch it in the PM peak, not long after the preview service started, there were people changing at NXG to / from Southern trains and I don't think it was people "just trying it out". I've not had any feedback about the first weekend of preview service. Next week is the big test. -- Paul C via Google |
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... Just wondering how the service is being used in the morning peak at the moment, as I haven't been in London before mid day at all since the preview began, and it's gone a bit quiet on the subject here... Are there signs of many passengers having gone back to changing onto the ELL at NX or NXG, as pre conversion, ie when it was an LU line? Paul S Just looking at the full service from later this month http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browse%...s/Table178.pdf and it appears that, in the down direction (?) Peckham Rye and Queens Road Peckham have swapped places. The timings, where shown, make sense but... Am I missing something? MaxB |
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On May 18, 5:11*pm, "Batman55" wrote: "Paul Scott" wrote: Just wondering how the service is being used in the morning peak at the moment, as I haven't been in London before mid day at all since the preview began, and it's gone a bit quiet on the subject here... Are there signs of many passengers having gone back to changing onto the ELL at NX or NXG, as pre conversion, ie when it was an LU line? Just looking at the full service from later this month http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browse%...s/Table178.pdf and it appears that, in the down direction (?) Peckham Rye and Queens Road Peckham have swapped places. The timings, where shown, make sense but... Am I missing something? No. Network Rail's timetable department are missing some quality control though. |
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"Batman55" wrote in message ... "Paul Scott" wrote in message ... Just wondering how the service is being used in the morning peak at the moment, as I haven't been in London before mid day at all since the preview began, and it's gone a bit quiet on the subject here... Are there signs of many passengers having gone back to changing onto the ELL at NX or NXG, as pre conversion, ie when it was an LU line? Just looking at the full service from later this month http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browse%...s/Table178.pdf and it appears that, in the down direction (?) Peckham Rye and Queens Road Peckham have swapped places. The timings, where shown, make sense but... Am I missing something? No, thats another error spotted I think. There have been a few previous posts highlighting that table 178 is borked (in terms of sorting left to right on departure timings) but I don't think your findings have been mentioned before... Paul |
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On 18 May, 17:27, "Paul Scott" wrote:
"Batman55" wrote in message ... "Paul Scott" wrote in message ... Just wondering how the service is being used in the morning peak at the moment, as I haven't been in London before mid day at all since the preview began, and it's gone a bit quiet on the subject here... Are there signs of many passengers having gone back to changing onto the ELL at NX or NXG, as pre conversion, ie when it was an LU line? Just looking at the full service from later this month http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browse%...y10/timetables... and it appears that, in the down direction (?) Peckham Rye and Queens Road Peckham have swapped places. The timings, where shown, make sense but... Am I missing something? No, thats another error spotted I think. There have been a few previous posts highlighting that table 178 is borked (in terms of sorting left to right on departure timings) but I don't think your findings have been mentioned before... Paul- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Is it an error, or an attempt at something fairly impossible? Peckham Rye is before both Queens Road and Denmark Hill depending on whether the train is heading for London Bridge or Blackfriars, and that seems to be what they've tried to show. I think the mistake may have been more in the attempt than in the execution. |
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On May 18, 5:40*pm, MIG wrote: On 18 May, 17:27, "Paul Scott" wrote: "Batman55" wrote: "Paul Scott" wrote: Just wondering how the service is being used in the morning peak at the moment, as I haven't been in London before mid day at all since the preview began, and it's gone a bit quiet on the subject here... Are there signs of many passengers having gone back to changing onto the ELL at NX or NXG, as pre conversion, ie when it was an LU line? Just looking at the full service from later this month http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browse%...s/Table178.pdf and it appears that, in the down direction (?) Peckham Rye and Queens Road Peckham have swapped places. The timings, where shown, make sense but.... Am I missing something? No, thats another error spotted I think. There have been a few previous posts highlighting that table 178 is borked (in terms of sorting left to right on departure timings) but I don't think your findings have been mentioned before... Is it an error, or an attempt at something fairly impossible? Peckham Rye is before both Queens Road and Denmark Hill depending on whether the train is heading for London Bridge or Blackfriars, and that seems to be what they've tried to show. I think the mistake may have been more in the attempt than in the execution. No - take another look. If the column were to read (as it should)... London Bridge .... South Bermondsey Queen's Rd Peckham Peckham Rye Denmark Hill London Blackfriars ....it would make sense - it works because London Bridge and Blackfriars (and indeed Victoria) are at different ends of the table (i.e. the top and towards the bottom). |
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"MIG" wrote in message ... On 18 May, 17:27, "Paul Scott" wrote: There have been a few previous posts highlighting that table 178 is borked (in terms of sorting left to right on departure timings) but I don't think your findings have been mentioned before... Is it an error, or an attempt at something fairly impossible? Peckham Rye is before both Queens Road and Denmark Hill depending on whether the train is heading for London Bridge or Blackfriars, and that seems to be what they've tried to show. Don't think so. Comparing it with both directions in the current table 178 and the fact that the UP section of the new table 178 is correctly ordered, suggests it is just another basic cockup - accidentally ordered alphabetically maybe? Paul S |
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On 18 May, 17:53, Mizter T wrote:
On May 18, 5:40*pm, MIG wrote: On 18 May, 17:27, "Paul Scott" wrote: "Batman55" wrote: "Paul Scott" wrote: Just wondering how the service is being used in the morning peak at the moment, as I haven't been in London before mid day at all since the preview began, and it's gone a bit quiet on the subject here... Are there signs of many passengers having gone back to changing onto the ELL at NX or NXG, as pre conversion, ie when it was an LU line? Just looking at the full service from later this month http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browse%...y10/timetables... and it appears that, in the down direction (?) Peckham Rye and Queens Road Peckham have swapped places. The timings, where shown, make sense but... Am I missing something? No, thats another error spotted I think. There have been a few previous posts highlighting that table 178 is borked (in terms of sorting left to right on departure timings) but I don't think your findings have been mentioned before... Is it an error, or an attempt at something fairly impossible? Peckham Rye is before both Queens Road and Denmark Hill depending on whether the train is heading for London Bridge or Blackfriars, and that seems to be what they've tried to show. I think the mistake may have been more in the attempt than in the execution. No - take another look. If the column were to read (as it should)... Please don't make me look again; it's too painful. London Bridge ... South Bermondsey Queen's Rd Peckham Peckham Rye Denmark Hill London Blackfriars ...it would make sense - it works because London Bridge and Blackfriars (and indeed Victoria) are at different ends of the table (i.e. the top and towards the bottom).- I guess it would be better to do that, but they way they've got it is in the right order for trains from Crystal Palace, an attempt to include which may have led to the problem (they also can't be shown arriving at London Bridge). |
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MIG wrote:
On 18 May, 17:53, Mizter T wrote: ...it would make sense - it works because London Bridge and Blackfriars (and indeed Victoria) are at different ends of the table (i.e. the top and towards the bottom).- I guess it would be better to do that, but they way they've got it is in the right order for trains from Crystal Palace, an attempt to include which may have led to the problem (they also can't be shown arriving at London Bridge). That seems a resonable explanation, but it does seem odd not to attempt to do it in both directions. OTOH, how many people even bother with this timetable - the vast majority will use the local TOC's products, which will usually be laid out in different logical patterns of services anyway... Paul S |
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, (Mizter T) wrote: On May 18, 5:11*pm, "Batman55" wrote: http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browse%...metables/Table 178.pdf and it appears that, in the down direction (?) Peckham Rye and Queens Road Peckham have swapped places. The timings, where shown, make sense but... Am I missing something? No. Network Rail's timetable department are missing some quality control though. If you think that's bad, take a look at Table 25! -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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On 18 May, 23:26, wrote:
In article , (Paul Scott) wrote: Just wondering how the service is being used in the morning peak at the moment, as I haven't been in London before mid day at all since the preview began, and it's gone a bit quiet on the subject here... Are there signs of many passengers having gone back to changing onto the ELL at NX or NXG, as pre conversion, ie when it was an LU line? Traffic was light tonight when I finally got my first ride, from Canada Water to Dalston Junction and back to Whitechapel. Did the Whitechapel Southbound EL platform always have such crap access to the District and H & C platforms (over a foot bridge onto the Northbound platform)? It wasn't as I remembered but it's a long time since I interchanged there. Yes, but southbound was usually the other platform where trains reversed except peaks and Sundays. |
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Batman55 wrote:
"Paul Scott" wrote in message ... Just wondering how the service is being used in the morning peak at the moment, as I haven't been in London before mid day at all since the preview began, and it's gone a bit quiet on the subject here... Are there signs of many passengers having gone back to changing onto the ELL at NX or NXG, as pre conversion, ie when it was an LU line? Paul S Just looking at the full service from later this month http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browse%...s/Table178.pdf and it appears that, in the down direction (?) Peckham Rye and Queens Road Peckham have swapped places. The timings, where shown, make sense but... Am I missing something? For anyone coming late to this discussion, the NR timetables have been reissued this morning, and the faults we were discussing appear to have been overcome. In particular the columns appear to be sorted correctly left to right so that trains through NXG appear in their correct time order. Paul S |
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On May 19, 12:16*pm, "Paul Scott" wrote: Batman55 wrote: Just looking at the full service from later this month http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browse%...s/Table178.pdf and it appears that, in the down direction (?) Peckham Rye and Queens Road Peckham have swapped places. The timings, where shown, make sense but... Am I missing something? For anyone coming late to this discussion, the NR timetables have been reissued this morning, and the faults we were discussing appear to have been overcome. In particular the columns appear to be sorted correctly left to right so that trains through NXG appear in their correct time order. No so - e.g. the 08:45 LO service from Dalston Jn appears a few columns to the left of the 08:51 SN service from London Bridge, but the Southern service gets to NX Gate ten minutes before the LO train (and is obviously first down the line towards Sydenham). |
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Mizter T wrote:
On May 19, 12:16 pm, "Paul Scott" wrote: Batman55 wrote: Just looking at the full service from later this month http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browse%...s/Table178.pdf and it appears that, in the down direction (?) Peckham Rye and Queens Road Peckham have swapped places. The timings, where shown, make sense but... Am I missing something? For anyone coming late to this discussion, the NR timetables have been reissued this morning, and the faults we were discussing appear to have been overcome. In particular the columns appear to be sorted correctly left to right so that trains through NXG appear in their correct time order. No so - e.g. the 08:45 LO service from Dalston Jn appears a few columns to the left of the 08:51 SN service from London Bridge, but the Southern service gets to NX Gate ten minutes before the LO train (and is obviously first down the line towards Sydenham). Ah... so the bunch of amateurs have only fixed the first few pages then. Completely useless... Paul S |
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Paul Scott wrote:
For anyone coming late to this discussion, the NR timetables have been reissued this morning, and the faults we were discussing appear to have been overcome. In particular the columns appear to be sorted correctly left to right so that trains through NXG appear in their correct time order. Is there a prize for spotting the first error? Can I go with the second line on the first page which says Sunday 23 May 2009 to Saturday 11 December 2010 More attention to detail required, I think. -- Phil Liverpool, UK |
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... Paul Scott wrote: For anyone coming late to this discussion, the NR timetables have been reissued this morning, and the faults we were discussing appear to have been overcome. In particular the columns appear to be sorted correctly left to right so that trains through NXG appear in their correct time order. Is there a prize for spotting the first error? Can I go with the second line on the first page which says Sunday 23 May 2009 to Saturday 11 December 2010 More attention to detail required, I think. -- Phil Liverpool, UK Somewhere around the mid 1970s it was decreed on Southern that every station should have "commuter cards" showing Monday to Friday train services for that station or small group of stations. This was subsequently extended to cover weekends as well. Compilation of these very fiddly documents was naturally not expected to need more staff, we just fitted it in along with everything else. And they were a nightma had to be typed or hand written first to go to the printer, draft returned for checking and correcting, returned to printer, sent back with old errors corrected (usually) and new errors introduced and so on. Finally published just as more timetable changes would be announced etc. This was all done by hand, hot metal and sweat. The current lot with computers and handy office printers and us lot providing free beta testing don't know what real life is like. They really need to pull their socks up PDQ. MaxB |
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On 18 May, 18:27, "Paul Scott" wrote:
"MIG" wrote in message ... On 18 May, 17:27, "Paul Scott" wrote: There have been a few previous posts highlighting that table 178 is borked (in terms of sorting left to right on departure timings) but I don't think your findings have been mentioned before... Is it an error, or an attempt at something fairly impossible? Peckham Rye is before both Queens Road and Denmark Hill depending on whether the train is heading for London Bridge or Blackfriars, and that seems to be what they've tried to show. Don't think so. Comparing it with both directions in the current table 178 and the fact that the UP section of the new table 178 is correctly ordered, suggests it is just another basic cockup - * accidentally ordered alphabetically maybe? Paul S The SET tables are now causing me some fun. In 199 the peak Orpington to Charing Cross trains seem to have been shifted forwards (or is that back?) by twenty minutes relative to all the other trains. (They are in the slot where the one twenty minutes earlier should go.) A bit more worrying is that the morning peak times seem to be the same as they were in the previous timetable, but on the ground this week, some of them seem to have been rejigged, eg a Bexleyheath line train to Charing Cross is two minutes earlier than it was, and in a different order through the junction at Lewisham I think, but in the timetable book it's unchanged in both 199 and 200. |
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On May 25, 9:15*pm, MIG wrote:
[snip] The SET tables are now causing me some fun. In 199 the peak Orpington to Charing Cross trains seem to have been shifted forwards (or is that back?) by twenty minutes relative to all the other trains. *(They are in the slot where the one twenty minutes earlier should go.) A bit more worrying is that the morning peak times seem to be the same as they were in the previous timetable, but on the ground this week, some of them seem to have been rejigged, eg a Bexleyheath line train to Charing Cross is two minutes earlier than it was, and in a different order through the junction at Lewisham I think, but in the timetable book it's unchanged in both 199 and 200. What about in the Southeastern timetable booklets? See: http://www.southeasternrailway.co.uk...ey/timetables/ |
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On 25 May, 22:13, Mizter T wrote:
On May 25, 9:15*pm, MIG wrote: [snip] The SET tables are now causing me some fun. In 199 the peak Orpington to Charing Cross trains seem to have been shifted forwards (or is that back?) by twenty minutes relative to all the other trains. *(They are in the slot where the one twenty minutes earlier should go.) A bit more worrying is that the morning peak times seem to be the same as they were in the previous timetable, but on the ground this week, some of them seem to have been rejigged, eg a Bexleyheath line train to Charing Cross is two minutes earlier than it was, and in a different order through the junction at Lewisham I think, but in the timetable book it's unchanged in both 199 and 200. What about in the Southeastern timetable booklets? See:http://www.southeasternrailway.co.uk...ey/timetables/ Yes, I thought of that just after posting, and their PDF is the same as in the timetable book, but not the same as what was happening on the platforms. I'll bang off an enquiry. |
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