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Wires or pantograph down on NLL, 2 June 2010
I understand that yesterday evening (2 June) there was some sort of
OHLE/pantograph problem between Camden Road and Kentish Town West which resulted, so I'm told, in the whole of the NLL service being suspended, as well as the WLL north of Shepherds Bush. Can anyone throw any light on what actually happened? Also, why couldn't they at least run NLL/WLL services west and from Willesden Junction? Possibly my informant was misled by the Live Travel News on the TfL site. Due to a signal failure today at Norwood Junction (ELL), it currently shows the entire London Overground network as affected by severe delays: ELL/NLL/WLL/DC! -- Richard J. (to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address) |
Wires or pantograph down on NLL, 2 June 2010
On Jun 3, 5:34*pm, "Richard J." wrote:
I understand that yesterday evening (2 June) there was some sort of OHLE/pantograph problem between Camden Road and Kentish Town West which resulted, so I'm told, in the whole of the NLL service being suspended, as well as the WLL north of Shepherds Bush. Can anyone throw any light on what actually happened? *Also, why couldn't they at least run NLL/WLL services west and from Willesden Junction? Possibly my informant was misled by the Live Travel News on the TfL site. *Due to a signal failure today at Norwood Junction (ELL), it currently shows the entire London Overground network as affected by severe delays: ELL/NLL/WLL/DC! There is a post on "District Dave's" board that suggests the widespread loss of service was the result of the initial power isolations. Once breakers were used service was restored west of Willesden Junction. It seems a Class 66 was used to tow out stranded 378s on the section that had no power. I also note with some surprise that a signal failure at Norwood Junction apparently now has the power to affect the Goblin and the Euston - Watford service. Methinks the people updating the map haven't quite got the hang of how the Overground network fits together or the info they are receiving is less than clear - take your pick! -- Paul C via Google. |
Wires or pantograph down on NLL, 2 June 2010
On Thu, 3 Jun 2010 11:43:34 -0700 (PDT)
Paul Corfield wrote: There is a post on "District Dave's" board that suggests the widespread loss of service was the result of the initial power isolations. Once breakers were used service was restored west of Willesden Junction. It seems a Class 66 was used to tow out stranded 378s on the section that had no power. Perhaps they should have left the 3rd rail down so they could switch to that in this sort of situation... no , too sensible. B2003 |
Wires or pantograph down on NLL, 2 June 2010
Paul Corfield wrote on 03 June 2010 19:43:34 ...
On Jun 3, 5:34 pm, "Richard wrote: I understand that yesterday evening (2 June) there was some sort of OHLE/pantograph problem between Camden Road and Kentish Town West which resulted, so I'm told, in the whole of the NLL service being suspended, as well as the WLL north of Shepherds Bush. Can anyone throw any light on what actually happened? Also, why couldn't they at least run NLL/WLL services west and from Willesden Junction? Possibly my informant was misled by the Live Travel News on the TfL site. Due to a signal failure today at Norwood Junction (ELL), it currently shows the entire London Overground network as affected by severe delays: ELL/NLL/WLL/DC! There is a post on "District Dave's" board that suggests the widespread loss of service was the result of the initial power isolations. Once breakers were used service was restored west of Willesden Junction. It seems a Class 66 was used to tow out stranded 378s on the section that had no power. I also note with some surprise that a signal failure at Norwood Junction apparently now has the power to affect the Goblin and the Euston - Watford service. Methinks the people updating the map haven't quite got the hang of how the Overground network fits together or the info they are receiving is less than clear - take your pick! It's not going well on LO this week. We have another "overhead line problem" at Camden Road tonight. This time they seem to be better prepared, with the NLL at least running from Richmond to Gospel Oak. And also, interestingly in view of recent discussions here on another thread, TfL say that "a special service is operating between Queens Park and Stratford every 30 minutes". -- Richard J. (to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address) |
Wires or pantograph down on NLL, 2 June 2010
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(Richard J.) wrote: It's not going well on LO this week. We have another "overhead line problem" at Camden Road tonight. Not just the NLL. The GN had a power supply problem at Potters Bar. We came home on the 15:45 to Lynn via the Hertford Loop. 40 minutes late at Cambridge. Nothing at all on their or the National Rail web sites now. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
Wires or pantograph down on NLL, 2 June 2010
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Wires or pantograph down on NLL, 2 June 2010
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Wires or pantograph down on NLL, 2 June 2010
In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote: In message , at 18:52:10 on Fri, 4 Jun 2010, remarked: It's not going well on LO this week. We have another "overhead line problem" at Camden Road tonight. Not just the NLL. The GN had a power supply problem at Potters Bar. We came home on the 15:45 to Lynn via the Hertford Loop. 40 minutes late at Cambridge. Maybe it's a good idea that Network Rail is apparently having second thoughts about extending electrification to more lines. They haven't got any money for any other means of traction, nor the oil supplies! Who is "they"? Of course Notwork Rail don't have to find the traction. But ToCs can finds "the oil" pretty easily. It's down at around 2% of the country's total petroleum product usage. And unless the govt agrees to build a lot more nuclear power plants real soon, then the electricity industry will continue to use about 40% of our fossil fuel allowance. You are overlooking the argument used to stop the DMUP orders. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
Wires or pantograph down on NLL, 2 June 2010
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Wires or pantograph down on NLL, 2 June 2010
In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote: In message , at 03:46:27 on Sat, 5 Jun 2010, remarked: They haven't got any money for any other means of traction, nor the oil supplies! Who is "they"? Second time: Who is "they". Of course Notwork Rail don't have to find the traction. But ToCs can finds "the oil" pretty easily. It's down at around 2% of the country's total petroleum product usage. And unless the govt agrees to build a lot more nuclear power plants real soon, then the electricity industry will continue to use about 40% of our fossil fuel allowance. You are overlooking the argument used to stop the DMUP orders. Probably, as that's geek-speak I don't recognise. Please explain what it is and how it applies. It's been explained to you here already. ROSCOs won't buy DMUs. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
Wires or pantograph down on NLL, 2 June 2010
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Wires or pantograph down on NLL, 2 June 2010
"Roland Perry" wrote in message
In message , at 13:11:54 on Sun, 6 Jun 2010, remarked: They haven't got any money for any other means of traction, nor the oil supplies! Who is "they"? Second time: Who is "they". Third time: Who is "they"? Of course Notwork Rail don't have to find the traction. But ToCs can finds "the oil" pretty easily. It's down at around 2% of the country's total petroleum product usage. And unless the govt agrees to build a lot more nuclear power plants real soon, then the electricity industry will continue to use about 40% of our fossil fuel allowance. You are overlooking the argument used to stop the DMUP orders. Probably, as that's geek-speak I don't recognise. Please explain what it is and how it applies. It's been explained to you here already. ROSCOs won't buy DMUs. I can't get "ROSKO" into the ETLA you mentioned. But yes, I have heard that under the previous government's policies the ROSKOs weren't happy about the projected lifespan of new DMUs, and would therefore be reluctant to acquire any new ones. However, we have a different government now, new policy, electrification cancelled, new electric traction at best postponed. Put those together, and maybe they'll change their view - or maybe they'll be nationalised, anything might happen. I don't think anything has actually been cancelled yet, just that spending decisions for the current year are being re-evaluated (and not just for rail orders). A few may go ahead in the near future, others may be delayed for more than a year, and some will be cancelled altogether. But I think it's highly unlikely that any ROSCOs will be nationalised! |
Wires or pantograph down on NLL, 2 June 2010
In message , at 13:21:59 on
Mon, 7 Jun 2010, Recliner remarked: However, we have a different government now, new policy, electrification cancelled, new electric traction at best postponed. Put those together, and maybe they'll change their view - or maybe they'll be nationalised, anything might happen. I don't think anything has actually been cancelled yet, I've been away, but was under the impression that the ambitious electrification schemes had been. And the "intention to place new rolling stock orders soon" has also been cancelled. just that spending decisions for the current year are being re-evaluated (and not just for rail orders). A few may go ahead in the near future, others may be delayed for more than a year, and some will be cancelled altogether. But I think it's highly unlikely that any ROSCOs will be nationalised! DaFT had a plan for a nationalised ROSCO. And if the current government falls in maybe 3-4 years time and old-Lab get back in... -- Roland Perry |
Wires or pantograph down on NLL, 2 June 2010
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