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Chiltern services can only use the fast lines and unlike the fast Met
services they do not stop at Moor Park.

Is that a recent change? ISTR that in earlier days, North of Harrow,
BR trains, for the most part, stopped at the same stations as
Metropolitan Line fasts.

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On Jun 26, 6:21*pm, E27002 wrote:
On Jun 26, 10:08*am, RPM wrote:
. Chiltern services can only use the fast lines and unlike the fast Met
services they do not stop at Moor Park.


Is that a recent change? *ISTR that in earlier days, North of Harrow,
BR trains, for the most part, stopped at the same stations as
Metropolitan Line fasts.


Chiltern ceased calling at Moor Park around the time of privatisation,
in the mid 1990s. What I can't remember if it was before Chiltern were
privatised or a bit afterwards.
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On Jun 26, 7:20*pm, Andy wrote:

On Jun 26, 6:21*pm, E27002 wrote:

On Jun 26, 10:08*am, RPM wrote:
. Chiltern services can only use the fast lines and unlike the fast Met
services they do not stop at Moor Park.


Is that a recent change? *ISTR that in earlier days, North of Harrow,
BR trains, for the most part, stopped at the same stations as
Metropolitan Line fasts.


Chiltern ceased calling at Moor Park around the time of privatisation,
in the mid 1990s. What I can't remember if it was before Chiltern were
privatised or a bit afterwards.


What was the logic behind that change? Obviously nowadays it makes
sense, as Chiltern are focussed on the longer distance passengers, but
back then the Chiltern line had rather less patronage. (Maybe it was
something to do with fares revenue allocation?)
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On Jun 26, 10:19*pm, Mizter T wrote:
On Jun 26, 7:20*pm, Andy wrote:

On Jun 26, 6:21*pm, E27002 wrote:


On Jun 26, 10:08*am, RPM wrote:
. Chiltern services can only use the fast lines and unlike the fast Met
services they do not stop at Moor Park.


Is that a recent change? *ISTR that in earlier days, North of Harrow,
BR trains, for the most part, stopped at the same stations as
Metropolitan Line fasts.


Chiltern ceased calling at Moor Park around the time of privatisation,
in the mid 1990s. What I can't remember if it was before Chiltern were
privatised or a bit afterwards.


What was the logic behind that change? Obviously nowadays it makes
sense, as Chiltern are focussed on the longer distance passengers, but
back then the Chiltern line had rather less patronage. (Maybe it was
something to do with fares revenue allocation?)


I don't know the reason, but it may have been due to overcrowding of
the Chiltern services. I'm not sure how revenue is allocated between
LU and Chiltern, but it might also have been a consideration. The lack
of Chiltern trains does leave an annoying gap in the service heading
north.
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On Jun 26, 2:19*pm, Mizter T wrote:
On Jun 26, 7:20*pm, Andy wrote:

On Jun 26, 6:21*pm, E27002 wrote:


On Jun 26, 10:08*am, RPM wrote:
. Chiltern services can only use the fast lines and unlike the fast Met
services they do not stop at Moor Park.


Is that a recent change? *ISTR that in earlier days, North of Harrow,
BR trains, for the most part, stopped at the same stations as
Metropolitan Line fasts.


Chiltern ceased calling at Moor Park around the time of privatisation,
in the mid 1990s. What I can't remember if it was before Chiltern were
privatised or a bit afterwards.


What was the logic behind that change? Obviously nowadays it makes
sense, as Chiltern are focussed on the longer distance passengers, but
back then the Chiltern line had rather less patronage. (Maybe it was
something to do with fares revenue allocation?)


It also complicates journeys from stations north of Amersham to
Watford.


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On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 10:21:39 -0700 (PDT), E27002
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On Jun 26, 10:08*am, RPM wrote:
.
Chiltern services can only use the fast lines and unlike the fast Met
services they do not stop at Moor Park.

Is that a recent change? ISTR that in earlier days, North of Harrow,
BR trains, for the most part, stopped at the same stations as
Metropolitan Line fasts.

Which "earlier days" ? Before the 1960s there was only one pair of
tracks from Harrow to Moor Park and BR trains did not stop at
intermediate stations.
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"Charles Ellson" wrote

Which "earlier days" ? Before the 1960s there was only one pair of
tracks from Harrow to Moor Park and BR trains did not stop at
intermediate stations.


April 1960 ABC shows that BR trains served all the intermediate stations
between Harrow on the Hill and Moor Park. Several called at Pinner and
Northwood, but the other stations were served occasionally. There even seems
to have been a through train from Chesham to Marylebone.

The Watford branch was only opened in, IIRC, 1926, and was electrified from
the start. For a few months it was served, about equally, by Metropolitan
electric trains from Baker Street and LNER steam trains from Maylebone.

Peter

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On Jun 27, 1:30*am, E27002 wrote:

On Jun 26, 2:19*pm, Mizter T wrote:

On Jun 26, 7:20*pm, Andy wrote:


On Jun 26, 6:21*pm, E27002 wrote:


On Jun 26, 10:08*am, RPM wrote:
. Chiltern services can only use the fast lines and unlike the fast Met
services they do not stop at Moor Park.


Is that a recent change? *ISTR that in earlier days, North of Harrow,
BR trains, for the most part, stopped at the same stations as
Metropolitan Line fasts.


Chiltern ceased calling at Moor Park around the time of privatisation,
in the mid 1990s. What I can't remember if it was before Chiltern were
privatised or a bit afterwards.


What was the logic behind that change? Obviously nowadays it makes
sense, as Chiltern are focussed on the longer distance passengers, but
back then the Chiltern line had rather less patronage. (Maybe it was
something to do with fares revenue allocation?)


It also complicates journeys from stations north of Amersham to
Watford.


True.
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"Charles Ellson" wrote in message
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On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 10:21:39 -0700 (PDT), E27002
wrote:

On Jun 26, 10:08 am, RPM wrote:
.
Chiltern services can only use the fast lines and unlike the fast Met
services they do not stop at Moor Park.

Is that a recent change? ISTR that in earlier days, North of Harrow,
BR trains, for the most part, stopped at the same stations as
Metropolitan Line fasts.

Which "earlier days" ? Before the 1960s there was only one pair of
tracks from Harrow to Moor Park and BR trains did not stop at
intermediate stations.


Oh yes they did, as other posted has suggested, e.g.

http://www.ephotozine.com/photo/1411606

David


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On 27 June, 11:58, "David Thornhill" wrote:
"Charles Ellson" wrote in message

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On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 10:21:39 -0700 (PDT), E27002
wrote:


On Jun 26, 10:08 am, RPM wrote:
.
Chiltern services can only use the fast lines and unlike the fast Met
services they do not stop at Moor Park.


Is that a recent change? *ISTR that in earlier days, North of Harrow,
BR trains, for the most part, stopped at the same stations as
Metropolitan Line fasts.


Which "earlier days" ? Before the 1960s there was only one pair of
tracks from Harrow to Moor Park and BR trains did not stop at
intermediate stations.


Oh yes they did, as other posted has suggested, e.g.

http://www.ephotozine.com/photo/1411606

David


And the stopping services caused delays to late running GC Expresses
in the 50s and earlier.


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