On Jun 26, 10:08*am, RPM wrote:
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Chiltern services can only use the fast lines and unlike the fast Met
services they do not stop at Moor Park.

Is that a recent change? ISTR that in earlier days, North of Harrow,
BR trains, for the most part, stopped at the same stations as
Metropolitan Line fasts.

Thanks

On Jun 26, 6:21*pm, E27002 wrote:
On Jun 26, 10:08*am, RPM wrote:
. Chiltern services can only use the fast lines and unlike the fast Met
services they do not stop at Moor Park.

Is that a recent change? *ISTR that in earlier days, North of Harrow,
BR trains, for the most part, stopped at the same stations as
Metropolitan Line fasts.


Chiltern ceased calling at Moor Park around the time of privatisation,
in the mid 1990s. What I can't remember if it was before Chiltern were
privatised or a bit afterwards.

On Jun 26, 7:20*pm, Andy wrote:

On Jun 26, 6:21*pm, E27002 wrote:

On Jun 26, 10:08*am, RPM wrote:
. Chiltern services can only use the fast lines and unlike the fast Met
services they do not stop at Moor Park.

Is that a recent change? *ISTR that in earlier days, North of Harrow,
BR trains, for the most part, stopped at the same stations as
Metropolitan Line fasts.

Chiltern ceased calling at Moor Park around the time of privatisation,
in the mid 1990s. What I can't remember if it was before Chiltern were
privatised or a bit afterwards.

What was the logic behind that change? Obviously nowadays it makes
sense, as Chiltern are focussed on the longer distance passengers, but
back then the Chiltern line had rather less patronage. (Maybe it was
something to do with fares revenue allocation?)

On Jun 26, 10:19*pm, Mizter T wrote:
On Jun 26, 7:20*pm, Andy wrote:

On Jun 26, 6:21*pm, E27002 wrote:

On Jun 26, 10:08*am, RPM wrote:
. Chiltern services can only use the fast lines and unlike the fast Met
services they do not stop at Moor Park.

Is that a recent change? *ISTR that in earlier days, North of Harrow,
BR trains, for the most part, stopped at the same stations as
Metropolitan Line fasts.

Chiltern ceased calling at Moor Park around the time of privatisation,
in the mid 1990s. What I can't remember if it was before Chiltern were
privatised or a bit afterwards.

What was the logic behind that change? Obviously nowadays it makes
sense, as Chiltern are focussed on the longer distance passengers, but
back then the Chiltern line had rather less patronage. (Maybe it was
something to do with fares revenue allocation?)

I don't know the reason, but it may have been due to overcrowding of
the Chiltern services. I'm not sure how revenue is allocated between
LU and Chiltern, but it might also have been a consideration. The lack
of Chiltern trains does leave an annoying gap in the service heading
north.

On Jun 26, 6:07*pm, Andy wrote:
On Jun 26, 10:19*pm, Mizter T wrote:



On Jun 26, 7:20*pm, Andy wrote:

On Jun 26, 6:21*pm, E27002 wrote:

On Jun 26, 10:08*am, RPM wrote:
. Chiltern services can only use the fast lines and unlike the fast Met
services they do not stop at Moor Park.

Is that a recent change? *ISTR that in earlier days, North of Harrow,
BR trains, for the most part, stopped at the same stations as
Metropolitan Line fasts.

Chiltern ceased calling at Moor Park around the time of privatisation,
in the mid 1990s. What I can't remember if it was before Chiltern were
privatised or a bit afterwards.

What was the logic behind that change? Obviously nowadays it makes
sense, as Chiltern are focussed on the longer distance passengers, but
back then the Chiltern line had rather less patronage. (Maybe it was
something to do with fares revenue allocation?)

I don't know the reason, but it may have been due to overcrowding of
the Chiltern services. I'm not sure how revenue is allocated between
LU and Chiltern, but it might also have been a consideration. The lack
of Chiltern trains does leave an annoying gap in the service heading
north.

ISTR reading once that it has to do with the OPO equipment on the fast
line platforms, and that said OPO equipment is not suitable for use
under Network Rail/ATOC driver regulations. As a result, Chiltern
trains don't stop and haven't since the 1990s, as mentioned.

On Jul 2, 2:42*am, TheOneKEA wrote:

On Jun 26, 6:07*pm, Andy wrote:

On Jun 26, 10:19*pm, Mizter T wrote:

On Jun 26, 7:20*pm, Andy wrote:
[snip]
Chiltern ceased calling at Moor Park around the time of privatisation,
in the mid 1990s. What I can't remember if it was before Chiltern were
privatised or a bit afterwards.

What was the logic behind that change? Obviously nowadays it makes
sense, as Chiltern are focussed on the longer distance passengers, but
back then the Chiltern line had rather less patronage. (Maybe it was
something to do with fares revenue allocation?)

I don't know the reason, but it may have been due to overcrowding of
the Chiltern services. I'm not sure how revenue is allocated between
LU and Chiltern, but it might also have been a consideration. The lack
of Chiltern trains does leave an annoying gap in the service heading
north.

ISTR reading once that it has to do with the OPO equipment on the fast
line platforms, and that said OPO equipment is not suitable for use
under Network Rail/ATOC driver regulations. As a result, Chiltern
trains don't stop and haven't since the 1990s, as mentioned.

Not sure if that makes a lot of sense - AIUI Chiltern trains on the
Met line operate under the LU rule book, rather than by any 'National
Rail' rules.

On 2 July, 02:42, TheOneKEA wrote:
On Jun 26, 6:07*pm, Andy wrote:





On Jun 26, 10:19*pm, Mizter T wrote:

On Jun 26, 7:20*pm, Andy wrote:

On Jun 26, 6:21*pm, E27002 wrote:

On Jun 26, 10:08*am, RPM wrote:
. Chiltern services can only use the fast lines and unlike the fast Met
services they do not stop at Moor Park.

Is that a recent change? *ISTR that in earlier days, North of Harrow,
BR trains, for the most part, stopped at the same stations as
Metropolitan Line fasts.

Chiltern ceased calling at Moor Park around the time of privatisation,
in the mid 1990s. What I can't remember if it was before Chiltern were
privatised or a bit afterwards.

What was the logic behind that change? Obviously nowadays it makes
sense, as Chiltern are focussed on the longer distance passengers, but
back then the Chiltern line had rather less patronage. (Maybe it was
something to do with fares revenue allocation?)

I don't know the reason, but it may have been due to overcrowding of
the Chiltern services. I'm not sure how revenue is allocated between
LU and Chiltern, but it might also have been a consideration. The lack
of Chiltern trains does leave an annoying gap in the service heading
north.

ISTR reading once that it has to do with the OPO equipment on the fast
line platforms, and that said OPO equipment is not suitable for use
under Network Rail/ATOC driver regulations. As a result, Chiltern
trains don't stop and haven't since the 1990s, as mentioned.

Other than the fact that the Chiltern trains run under LU rules
between Mantles Wood and Harrow South Junction, the class 165s have
called at Moor Park, both when they were first introduced and also on
1st January this year (according the Underground New anyway). The
platforms are straight and the OPO equipment doesn't appear to be any
different at Moor Park than at other stops on where the units do call.

On Jun 26, 2:19*pm, Mizter T wrote:
On Jun 26, 7:20*pm, Andy wrote:

On Jun 26, 6:21*pm, E27002 wrote:

On Jun 26, 10:08*am, RPM wrote:
. Chiltern services can only use the fast lines and unlike the fast Met
services they do not stop at Moor Park.

Is that a recent change? *ISTR that in earlier days, North of Harrow,
BR trains, for the most part, stopped at the same stations as
Metropolitan Line fasts.

Chiltern ceased calling at Moor Park around the time of privatisation,
in the mid 1990s. What I can't remember if it was before Chiltern were
privatised or a bit afterwards.

What was the logic behind that change? Obviously nowadays it makes
sense, as Chiltern are focussed on the longer distance passengers, but
back then the Chiltern line had rather less patronage. (Maybe it was
something to do with fares revenue allocation?)

It also complicates journeys from stations north of Amersham to
Watford.

On Jun 27, 1:30*am, E27002 wrote:

On Jun 26, 2:19*pm, Mizter T wrote:

On Jun 26, 7:20*pm, Andy wrote:

On Jun 26, 6:21*pm, E27002 wrote:

On Jun 26, 10:08*am, RPM wrote:
. Chiltern services can only use the fast lines and unlike the fast Met
services they do not stop at Moor Park.

Is that a recent change? *ISTR that in earlier days, North of Harrow,
BR trains, for the most part, stopped at the same stations as
Metropolitan Line fasts.

Chiltern ceased calling at Moor Park around the time of privatisation,
in the mid 1990s. What I can't remember if it was before Chiltern were
privatised or a bit afterwards.

What was the logic behind that change? Obviously nowadays it makes
sense, as Chiltern are focussed on the longer distance passengers, but
back then the Chiltern line had rather less patronage. (Maybe it was
something to do with fares revenue allocation?)

It also complicates journeys from stations north of Amersham to
Watford.

True.

On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 10:21:39 -0700 (PDT), E27002
wrote:

On Jun 26, 10:08*am, RPM wrote:
.
Chiltern services can only use the fast lines and unlike the fast Met
services they do not stop at Moor Park.

Is that a recent change? ISTR that in earlier days, North of Harrow,
BR trains, for the most part, stopped at the same stations as
Metropolitan Line fasts.

Which "earlier days" ? Before the 1960s there was only one pair of
tracks from Harrow to Moor Park and BR trains did not stop at
intermediate stations.