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Farringdon to be London's busiest station
In terms of trains calling, according to this DfT press release:
http://nds.coi.gov.uk/clientmicrosite/Content/Detail.aspx?ClientId=202&NewsAreaId=2&ReleaseID=41 4470&SubjectId=36 "From 2017, the plan is for upwards of 140 trains per hour to flow through Farringdon as north/south Thameslink, east/west Crossrail and London Underground services all meet at the new station." "This would see Farringdon surpass Clapham Junction as Britain's busiest train station and bring passengers from outer London closer to the City and Canary Wharf." Oh good. No doubt all the interchange flows have been properly modelled and there'll be no problems with space on those cramped Thameslink and LU platforms. Paul S |
Farringdon to be London's busiest station
On Jul 15, 7:51*am, "Paul Scott"
wrote: In terms of trains calling, according to this DfT press release: http://nds.coi.gov.uk/clientmicrosite/Content/Detail.aspx?ClientId=20.... "From 2017, the plan is for upwards of 140 trains per hour to flow through Farringdon as north/south Thameslink, east/west Crossrail and London Underground services all meet at the new station." "This would see Farringdon surpass Clapham Junction as Britain's busiest train station and bring passengers from outer London closer to the City and Canary Wharf." Oh good. No doubt all the interchange flows have been properly modelled and there'll be no problems with space on those cramped Thameslink and LU platforms. AFIK there will be a new set of entrances with their own suspended slab above the Thameslink and Circle platforms. One would hope that good use is being made of the space to the east of Thameslink vacated by the Moorgate branch. |
Farringdon to be London's busiest station
"Paul Scott" wrote in message ... In terms of trains calling, according to this DfT press release: http://nds.coi.gov.uk/clientmicrosite/Content/Detail.aspx?ClientId=202&NewsAreaId=2&ReleaseID=41 4470&SubjectId=36 "From 2017, the plan is for upwards of 140 trains per hour to flow through Farringdon as north/south Thameslink, east/west Crossrail and London Underground services all meet at the new station." "This would see Farringdon surpass Clapham Junction as Britain's busiest train station and bring passengers from outer London closer to the City and Canary Wharf." Oh good. No doubt all the interchange flows have been properly modelled and there'll be no problems with space on those cramped Thameslink and LU platforms. They seem to be talking numbers of trains, in which case I'd expect London Bridge (Southeastern to/from Charing Cross and Cannon Street, Thameslink, Southern terminating, Northern, and Jubilee) to be significantly busier, and I suspect others will be even busier. Peter |
Farringdon to be London's busiest station
On 15 July, 16:37, "Peter Masson" wrote:
They seem to be talking numbers of trains, in which case I'd expect London Bridge (Southeastern to/from Charing Cross and Cannon Street, Thameslink, Southern terminating, Northern, and Jubilee) to be significantly busier, and I suspect others will be even busier. How many platforms is Farringdon going to have when the works are complete? |
Farringdon to be London's busiest station
"1506" wrote in message ... AFIK there will be a new set of entrances with their own suspended slab above the Thameslink and Circle platforms. No there isn't. You must have the drawings the wrong way up. The new slab is above the southward extensions of the Thameslink platforms. There are no significant improvements to the existing length of the central island, ie between southbound Thameslink and westbound Circle. Paul S |
Farringdon to be London's busiest station
"Stephen Furley" wrote in message ... On 15 July, 16:37, "Peter Masson" wrote: They seem to be talking numbers of trains, in which case I'd expect London Bridge (Southeastern to/from Charing Cross and Cannon Street, Thameslink, Southern terminating, Northern, and Jubilee) to be significantly busier, and I suspect others will be even busier. How many platforms is Farringdon going to have when the works are complete? 6. 2 Thameslink, 2 Met/H&C/Circle Teacup, and 2 Crossrail Peter |
Farringdon to be London's busiest station
"Peter Masson" wrote in message ... They seem to be talking numbers of trains, in which case I'd expect London Bridge (Southeastern to/from Charing Cross and Cannon Street, Thameslink, Southern terminating, Northern, and Jubilee) to be significantly busier, and I suspect others will be even busier. Exactly - the number is exaggeration pure and simple. I reckon the post Thameslink London Bridge through service is about 66 each direction, before you even look at terminators or LU. This counting both directions, as we've discussed here before - where what is usually known as a '24 tph service' becomes 48 tph is the modern way of spinning things. There's no consistency though, e.g. they still talk about the upcoming 6tph ECML timetable, but surely applying equivalent logic that should be a 12 tph service? I suppose we ought to be grateful they don't count arrivals and departures separately as well... Paul S |
Farringdon to be London's busiest station
I was wondering if the new pedestrian bridges at Farringdon are the
finished article or merely temporary during the works. They feel quite "wobbly" in places. -- Roy |
Farringdon to be London's busiest station
"Roy Stilling" wrote in message ... I was wondering if the new pedestrian bridges at Farringdon are the finished article or merely temporary during the works. They feel quite "wobbly" in places. The installer went bankrupt, and I think work has been suspended for about 6 months, so there may be some bolts need doing up a bit more... :-) Paul |
Farringdon to be London's busiest station
On 15 July, 16:45, "Peter Masson" wrote:
"Stephen Furley" wrote in message 6. 2 Thameslink, 2 Met/H&C/Circle Teacup, and 2 Crossrail That's what I was expecting, but it doesn't seem many to handle that number of trains. |
Farringdon to be London's busiest station
"Stephen Furley" wrote in message ... On 15 July, 16:45, "Peter Masson" wrote: "Stephen Furley" wrote in message 6. 2 Thameslink, 2 Met/H&C/Circle Teacup, and 2 Crossrail That's what I was expecting, but it doesn't seem many to handle that number of trains. The 140 tph is the peak service. 24 tph each way on each line - actually, the Met etc is already at around 27 tph, and is planned for 32 tph (16 Met, 8 H&C and 8 Circle Teacup) with the S stock and new signalling, So if the aspirations for 24 tph on both Thameslink and Crossrail come about, Farringdon could have 160 tph on 6 platforms. Peter |
Farringdon to be London's busiest station
On Jul 15, 1:13*pm, "Peter Masson" wrote:
"Stephen Furley" wrote in message ... On 15 July, 16:45, "Peter Masson" wrote: "Stephen Furley" wrote in message 6. 2 Thameslink, 2 Met/H&C/Circle Teacup, and 2 Crossrail That's what I was expecting, but it doesn't seem many to handle that number of trains. The 140 tph is the peak service. 24 tph each way on each line - actually, the Met etc is already at around 27 tph, and is planned for 32 tph (16 Met, 8 H&C and 8 Circle Teacup) with the S stock and new signalling, So if the aspirations for 24 tph on both Thameslink and Crossrail come about, Farringdon could have 160 tph on 6 platforms. Does anyong have the numbers for Clapham Junction? Also, one would imagine the numbers for the KX St. P complex must be very high. |
Farringdon to be London's busiest station
On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:49:30 -0700 (PDT), 1506
wrote: On Jul 15, 1:13*pm, "Peter Masson" wrote: "Stephen Furley" wrote in message ... On 15 July, 16:45, "Peter Masson" wrote: "Stephen Furley" wrote in message 6. 2 Thameslink, 2 Met/H&C/Circle Teacup, and 2 Crossrail That's what I was expecting, but it doesn't seem many to handle that number of trains. The 140 tph is the peak service. 24 tph each way on each line - actually, the Met etc is already at around 27 tph, and is planned for 32 tph (16 Met, 8 H&C and 8 Circle Teacup) with the S stock and new signalling, So if the aspirations for 24 tph on both Thameslink and Crossrail come about, Farringdon could have 160 tph on 6 platforms. Does anyong have the numbers for Clapham Junction? If we're adding together NR and LU services at the same station then how about Euston or Kings Cross St Pancras ? Also, one would imagine the numbers for the KX St. P complex must be very high. |
Farringdon to be London's busiest station
Once upon a time, Paul Scott wrote:
I suppose we ought to be grateful they don't count arrivals and departures separately as well... Shhh! Don't give them ideas! :-) -- - The Iron Jelloid |
Farringdon to be London's busiest station
On Jul 15, 2:40*pm, Charles Ellson wrote:
On Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:49:30 -0700 (PDT), 1506 wrote: On Jul 15, 1:13*pm, "Peter Masson" wrote: "Stephen Furley" wrote in message .... On 15 July, 16:45, "Peter Masson" wrote: "Stephen Furley" wrote in message 6. 2 Thameslink, 2 Met/H&C/Circle Teacup, and 2 Crossrail That's what I was expecting, but it doesn't seem many to handle that number of trains. The 140 tph is the peak service. 24 tph each way on each line - actually, the Met etc is already at around 27 tph, and is planned for 32 tph (16 Met, 8 H&C and 8 Circle Teacup) with the S stock and new signalling, So if the aspirations for 24 tph on both Thameslink and Crossrail come about, Farringdon could have 160 tph on 6 platforms. Does anyong have the numbers for Clapham Junction? If we're adding together NR and LU services at the same station then how about Euston or Kings Cross St Pancras ? Also, one would imagine the numbers for the KX St. P complex must be very high.- Hide quoted text - Or, Waterloo even! Although I think KX StP probably takes the prize: St P International HS1 Suburban Thameslink MML KX Mainline KX Suburban Circle H&C Metropolitan Northern Picadilly Victoria |
Farringdon to be London's busiest station
"This would see Farringdon surpass Clapham Junction as Britain's busiest train station and bring passengers from outer London closer to the City and Canary Wharf." As you (and others) say elsewhere a load of old spin. * Maybe, but I suspect our (trainspotter’s) definition of busiest might be rather different to the normals. I’m guessing those that just pass through Clapham, without actually getting on or off, are not being counted for the purposes of this comparison. |
Farringdon to be London's busiest station
"1506" wrote Or, Waterloo even! Although I think KX StP probably takes the prize: St P International HS1 Suburban Thameslink MML KX Mainline KX Suburban Circle H&C Metropolitan Northern Picadilly Victoria I would go with Waterloo Waterloo Main Waterloo East (trains to and from Charing Cross) Northern Bakerloo Jubilee W&C Compared with the southern TOCs, at Waterloo and at Charing Cross, the terminal platforms at St Pancras (all three parts) and Kings Cross are practically quiet rural stations. Charing Cross dispatches just about as many trains in an hour from 6 platforms as Kings Cross and St Pancras (except LL) combined do from 22 (or is it 23 now?), and Waterloo, with slightly fewer non-theatre platforms than KXStP, dispatches twice as many. Peter |
Farringdon to be London's busiest station
On 16 July, 21:34, "Peter Masson" wrote:
"1506" wrote Or, Waterloo even! *Although I think KX StP probably takes the prize: St P International HS1 Suburban Thameslink MML KX Mainline KX Suburban Circle H&C Metropolitan Northern Picadilly Victoria I would go with Waterloo Waterloo Main Waterloo East (trains to and from Charing Cross) Northern Bakerloo Jubilee W&C Compared with the southern TOCs, at Waterloo and at Charing Cross, the terminal platforms at St Pancras (all three parts) and Kings Cross are practically quiet rural stations. Charing Cross dispatches just about as many trains in an hour from 6 platforms as Kings Cross and St Pancras (except LL) combined do from 22 (or is it 23 now?), and Waterloo, with slightly fewer non-theatre platforms than KXStP, dispatches twice as many.. Peter Despite it not being southern, I think that Fenchurch street may despatch more trains per platform than even Charing Cross. (Not relevant to the large complex idea though.) |
Farringdon to be London's busiest station
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Farringdon to be London's busiest station
"MIG" wrote in message ... Despite it not being southern, I think that Fenchurch street may despatch more trains per platform than even Charing Cross. (Not relevant to the large complex idea though.) Fenchurch St has a departure from each of the four platforms every 10 minutes or so. The departures work their way across the station with the arriving trains running in parallel into the recently vacated adjacent platform. So you only get one conflicting move every 10 minutes. At any rate, that is what happened in the days of slam door stock, I assume it's the same now. If you get a failure in one of the platforms then it all falls apart very quickly! John |
Farringdon to be London's busiest station
On 20 July, 13:36, "John C" wrote:
"MIG" wrote in message ... Despite it not being southern, I think that Fenchurch street may despatch more trains per platform than even Charing Cross. *(Not relevant to the large complex idea though.) Fenchurch St has a departure from each of the four platforms every 10 minutes or so. The departures work their way across the station with the arriving trains running in parallel into the recently vacated adjacent platform. So you only get one conflicting move every 10 minutes. At any rate, that is what happened in the days of slam door stock, I assume it's the same now. If you get a failure in one of the platforms then it all falls apart very quickly! John Yeah, Charing Cross hasn't got a very efficient approach, due to the structure of the bridge. Platform 4 in particular is a single track all the way across. |
Farringdon to be London's busiest station
"MIG" wrote Yeah, Charing Cross hasn't got a very efficient approach, due to the structure of the bridge. Platform 4 in particular is a single track all the way across. The other limiting factor for Charing Cross is the double track section from London Bridge to Metropolitan Junction, where there are trains (only a few in the peaks) to and from Thameslink. Up and Down Thameslink trains cannot run in parallel at Metropolitan Junction because of the single lead layout Peter |
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