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(Stimpy) wrote:

Martin Rich wrote:

Again as mentioned elsewhere in the thread, the whole of the back of
the ticket was a magnetic surface. However these tickets were much
smaller than the current tube tickets.

Same size as a 'proper' Edmondson ticket IIRC

No, longer than an Edmondson, I'm sure. I have examples somewhere here.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In message ,
Colin Rosenstiel writes
Again as mentioned elsewhere in the thread, the whole of the back of
the ticket was a magnetic surface. However these tickets were much
smaller than the current tube tickets.

Same size as a 'proper' Edmondson ticket IIRC

No, longer than an Edmondson, I'm sure. I have examples somewhere here.

On thinner card, too. Somewhere I've got one that was issued by a
pre-deployment demonstration system they installed at the Science
Museum. I think Clive might have one of those, too.
--
Roland Perry

From: (Colin Rosenstiel)
Date: 06/12/2003 14:55 GMT Standard Time

No, longer than an Edmondson, I'm sure. I have examples somewhere here.

I also have examples. Think they're between 125% and 150% longer than a
standard Edmondon, but the same width.

On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 21:49:10 -0000, (Mark Brader) wrote:
Further, since the MUCTC/SCTUM chose to mimic the Paris Metro in various
respects, this suggests that Paris may also have been using magnetic-
stripe tickets by the mid-1960s. However, unless the Paris tickets
have changed size and shape since then, Montreal didn't copy that;
the Paris ones I've used (since 1985) are about Edmondson size, whereas
the Montreal ones I remember are smaller and squarer, like normal North
American transit tickets. So maybe Montreal didn't copy the use of
magnetic stripes from Paris either, in which case I have no idea when
they were first used in Paris.

The excellent "Metro Insolite" by Clive Lamming (Parigramme, 2001) has
a page about the demise of the poinconneur - the person who sat at the
bottom of the stairs clipping thousands of tickets a day. A picture
from 1972 shows barriers, but with the old bus-style validators
perched awkwardly on top. I expect these just printed on the ticket.

The Ascom web site says that the contract for magnetic ticketing was
awarded to Crouzet (now Ascom) by 1968 and the equipment was in
service in 1969 - the year the first section of the RER opened. It
seems that it took a few more years more to reach the "real" metro.

Another good book, "La Patrimoine de la RATP" (Flohic Editions, 1996?)
has many interesting photos of older tickets but not much about the
use of magnetic tickets. It does show how the RATP used the stripy
appearance of the ticket in several different ways in their
advertising, including their "2eme voiture" (2nd car) campaign.

To bring this post back to London, I just about remember the old
ticket machines on the underground, with one machine (or more) for
each fare. The tickets were a bit sticky on the oxide side weren't
they? This subject definitely deserves a book...

Richard.

In article ,
are (Acrosticus) wrote:

From: (Colin Rosenstiel)
Date: 06/12/2003 14:55 GMT Standard Time

No, longer than an Edmondson, I'm sure. I have examples somewhere here.

I also have examples. Think they're between 125% and 150% longer than a
standard Edmondon, but the same width.

ITYM between 25% and 50% _longer._

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Roland Perry wrote:
Colin Rosenstiel writes
Again as mentioned elsewhere in the thread, the whole of the back of
the ticket was a magnetic surface. However these tickets were much
smaller than the current tube tickets.

Same size as a 'proper' Edmondson ticket IIRC

No, longer than an Edmondson, I'm sure. I have examples somewhere here.

On thinner card, too. Somewhere I've got one that was issued by a
pre-deployment demonstration system they installed at the Science
Museum. I think Clive might have one of those, too.

Sounds like the Crouzet tickets that are still used in Adelaide, except
that those only have a narrow magnetic strip on the back. They are
rather a bad design, as the magnetic strip is weak, and far too easily
accidentally eresed! Did the London tickets have that problem?

In article ,
says...
Can anyone help answer a query from a friend in Japan?

He's trying to find information about when magnetic stripe tickets were
first used, and heard that LT had some in the 1960s. Were there experiments
before the current ones were introduced (1980s if I recall correctly)?

Thanks.



For anyone who cares to look I have posted some scans of London Transport
oxide-backed tickets. These are all totally backed by oxide rather than
a stripe, and can be viewed hopefully at the following link:

http://www.villagephotos.com/pubbrow...elected=662123

Jim