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Olympic bullet train passengers terrified by 140mph ‘wobble’
Ross Lydall and Miranda Bryant 08.09.10 http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...0mph-wobble.do London's Olympic bullet trains have been modified after commuters raised concerns over “frightening and alarming” wobbles at 140mph. The passengers — who pay premium fares to use Britain's fastest domestic service — complain of “turbulence” as the trains pass through tunnels between St Pancras and Kent. Rail operator Southeastern today admitted the trains were suffering “sideways movement” — an embarrassment for Japanese manufacturer Hitachi, which is hoping to win a contract to replace the UK's fleet of intercity trains. Nicki Carpenter, 35, a part-time student from Canterbury, said: It's quite concerning actually because it doesn't feel particularly safe. I haven't felt nauseous on the train but it can be quite frightening and alarming.” Pam Millington, 45, who commutes from Ashford to St Pancras, added: “You feel like you're on one of the old fashioned trains it's swaying so much.” The problems emerged only months after Southeastern trains began running services on the high-speed track between St Pancras and the Channel Tunnel used by 186mph Eurostar trains. On-board computer monitors alerted engineers to the problem, which was also noticed by train staff, while passengers began complaining about the uncomfortable ride. The 29 six-carriage trains, each costing about Ł9 million, are being fitted with “dampeners” to reduce the wobble. They have been returned to Southeastern's depot in Ashford on a rolling basis for repairs to prevent disruption to the timetable. Ten trains have been modified so far. The trains were heralded as “London's new bullet train” when they were first ordered in 2004. They began running in a trial service in June last year and were officially unveiled in December by Gordon Brown. They will form the “Olympic Javelin” service in 2012, taking spectators from St Pancras to the Olympics park in Stratford in seven minutes. The problem is believed to be caused because the trains have to switch between the high-speed line and conventional tracks at Ashford and Ebbsfleet. The train suspension appears unable to cope with the demands of the different track, and each carriage is being weighed down to minimise the wobble. A Southeastern spokesman said there were “absolutely no safety issues at all” and said the trains were being worked on during routine maintenance checks. He added: “Considering this is a brand new train, it's more of a teething problem.” |
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"CJB" wrote in message ... Olympic bullet train passengers terrified by 140mph ‘wobble’ 125 mph wobble surely, it's only a few months since everyone was complaining that they don't actually do 140 mph... I'd also propose that NO trains have been 'sidelined' at any time. Some are modified, and some aren't, that's all. Paul S |
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On 8 Sep, 17:27, CJB wrote:
The 29 six-carriage trains, each costing about Ł9 million, are being fitted with “dampeners” to reduce the wobble. Won't the upholstery get mildew? What an amazingly crap piece. |
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Hmm... swaying, wobble and Gordon Brown. I think I see the problem. |
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On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 09:27:40 -0700 (PDT) someone who may be CJB
wrote this:- http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...0mph-wobble.do I see that the campaign for the mass media to not call these trains Javelins at the moment seems to have had an effect. Rail operator Southeastern today admitted the trains were suffering “sideways movement” — an embarrassment for Japanese manufacturer Hitachi, Which ISTR tells us that their trains will "work straight out of the box". The problem is believed to be caused because the trains have to switch between the high-speed line and conventional tracks at Ashford and Ebbsfleet. Trains have to switch between high-speed lines and "conventional tracks" at quite a large number of places around the world. What is it about Ashford and Ebbsfleet that makes them different? -- David Hansen, Edinburgh I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000...#pt3-pb3-l1g54 |
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, at 09:27:40 on Wed, 8 Sep 2010, CJB remarked: Olympic bullet train ..... London's Olympic bullet trains Is this the new name? The problems emerged only months after Southeastern trains began running services So they didn't wobble to start with? The trains were heralded as “London's new bullet train” Were they? Didn't they have some other name... er... They will form the “Olympic Javelin” service .... oh yes, that sounds more familiar. taking spectators from St Pancras to the Olympics park in Stratford in seven minutes. To the Park. Really? Surely that's only going to get as far as the station, near the park. The problem is believed to be caused because the trains have to switch between the high-speed line and conventional tracks at Ashford and Ebbsfleet. Dodgy points then. Do they have no "wobble" anywhere else? -- Roland Perry |
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Which ISTR tells us that their trains will "work straight out of the box". It’s still an unfortunate fact that most of the recently imported foreign technology has worked a darn sight better from day one than anything home produced we have encountered before. The days of newly delivered stock parked up for months on end, for one problem or another, before finally entering service does seem to be a thing of the past. |
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On 08/09/2010 18:48, David Hansen wrote:
On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 09:27:40 -0700 (PDT) someone who may be CJB wrote this:- http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...0mph-wobble.do I see that the campaign for the mass media to not call these trains Javelins at the moment seems to have had an effect. Rail operator Southeastern today admitted the trains were suffering “sideways movement” — an embarrassment for Japanese manufacturer Hitachi, Which ISTR tells us that their trains will "work straight out of the box". What manufacturer is going to say otherwise? (maybe AnsaldoBreda!) The problem is believed to be caused because the trains have to switch between the high-speed line and conventional tracks at Ashford and Ebbsfleet. Trains have to switch between high-speed lines and "conventional tracks" at quite a large number of places around the world. What is it about Ashford and Ebbsfleet that makes them different? Didn't a Turkish high speed train derail while moving to or from the classic lines a few months ago? -- Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK |
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On Sep 8, 6:17*pm, allantracy wrote: Hmm... swaying, wobble and Gordon Brown. I think I see the problem. Ho ho ho, your wit knows no beginnings. Got any more? I bet everyone loves chatting to you down the pub. |
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On Sep 8, 6:53*pm, Roland Perry wrote:
[snip] taking spectators from St Pancras to the Olympics park in Stratford in seven minutes. To the Park. Really? Surely that's only going to get as far as the station, near the park. Yes, to the Park (Really) - Stratford International is bang on the edge of the Olympic Park. The problem is believed to be caused because the trains have to switch between the high-speed line and conventional tracks at Ashford and Ebbsfleet. Dodgy points then. Do they have no "wobble" anywhere else? Did you read the article? |
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Mizter T wrote: On Sep 8, 6:17*pm, allantracy wrote: Hmm... swaying, wobble and Gordon Brown. I think I see the problem. Ho ho ho, your wit knows no beginnings. Got any more? I bet everyone loves chatting to you down the pub. Pubs would be far to proletarian. -- Graeme Wall This address not read, substitute trains for rail Transport Miscellany at www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail Photo galleries at http://graeme-wall.fotopic.net/ |
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On 08/09/2010 18:57, allantracy wrote:
Which ISTR tells us that their trains will "work straight out of the box". It’s still an unfortunate fact that most of the recently imported foreign technology has worked a darn sight better from day one than anything home produced we have encountered before. The days of newly delivered stock parked up for months on end, for one problem or another, before finally entering service does seem to be a thing of the past. I seem to recall that the Derby built Class 357 was named Britain's most reliable train at this year's Golden Spanners. |
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On 08/09/2010 19:17, Arthur Figgis wrote:
On 08/09/2010 18:48, David Hansen wrote: On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 09:27:40 -0700 (PDT) someone who may be CJB wrote this:- http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...0mph-wobble.do I see that the campaign for the mass media to not call these trains Javelins at the moment seems to have had an effect. Rail operator Southeastern today admitted the trains were suffering “sideways movement” — an embarrassment for Japanese manufacturer Hitachi, Which ISTR tells us that their trains will "work straight out of the box". What manufacturer is going to say otherwise? (maybe AnsaldoBreda!) The problem is believed to be caused because the trains have to switch between the high-speed line and conventional tracks at Ashford and Ebbsfleet. Trains have to switch between high-speed lines and "conventional tracks" at quite a large number of places around the world. What is it about Ashford and Ebbsfleet that makes them different? Didn't a Turkish high speed train derail while moving to or from the classic lines a few months ago? How does the signalling system differ on the high-speed lines, compared with the classic lines? I think that the former does not have AWS. |
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Ho ho ho, your wit knows no beginnings. Got any more? I bet everyone loves chatting to you down the pub. Pubs would be far to proletarian. I’ll have you know I once drank in a not for profit state owned bar, one of the members’ bars in the House of Commons. When I checked the price of my beer, boy had the state delivered. |
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, at 12:02:46 on Wed, 8 Sep 2010, Mizter T remarked: taking spectators from St Pancras to the Olympics park in Stratford in seven minutes. To the Park. Really? Surely that's only going to get as far as the station, near the park. Yes, to the Park (Really) - Stratford International is bang on the edge of the Olympic Park. I must go down and scout it out when it's finished. Hopefully the entrance to the park is near the station (like the Dome), not half a mile round the corner? The problem is believed to be caused because the trains have to switch between the high-speed line and conventional tracks at Ashford and Ebbsfleet. Dodgy points then. Do they have no "wobble" anywhere else? Did you read the article? Yes, including several bits of gibberish I quoted. -- Roland Perry |
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, (CJB) wrote: Olympic bullet train passengers terrified by 140mph _wobble_ Ross Lydall and Miranda Bryant 08.09.10 http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...ic-bullet-trai ns-out-of-service-after-140mph-wobble.do London's Olympic bullet trains have been modified after commuters raised concerns over _frightening and alarming_ wobbles at 140mph. The passengers _ who pay premium fares to use Britain's fastest domestic service _ complain of _turbulence_ as the trains pass through tunnels between St Pancras and Kent. [snip] Curious. The trains are timetabled at only 125MPH, with higher speeds only used to catch up when running late. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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allantracy wrote: Ho ho ho, your wit knows no beginnings. Got any more? I bet everyone loves chatting to you down the pub. Pubs would be far to proletarian. I=92ll have you know I once drank in a not for profit state owned bar, one of the members=92 bars in the House of Commons. So have I, and I didn't have to pay for the beer either! -- Graeme Wall This address not read, substitute trains for rail Transport Miscellany at www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail Photo galleries at http://graeme-wall.fotopic.net/ |
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On 08/09/2010 21:31, Daniel Smith wrote:
On 08/09/10 20:16, wrote: On 08/09/2010 19:17, Arthur Figgis wrote: On 08/09/2010 18:48, David Hansen wrote: On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 09:27:40 -0700 (PDT) someone who may be CJB wrote this:- http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...0mph-wobble.do I see that the campaign for the mass media to not call these trains Javelins at the moment seems to have had an effect. Rail operator Southeastern today admitted the trains were suffering “sideways movement” — an embarrassment for Japanese manufacturer Hitachi, Which ISTR tells us that their trains will "work straight out of the box". What manufacturer is going to say otherwise? (maybe AnsaldoBreda!) The problem is believed to be caused because the trains have to switch between the high-speed line and conventional tracks at Ashford and Ebbsfleet. Trains have to switch between high-speed lines and "conventional tracks" at quite a large number of places around the world. What is it about Ashford and Ebbsfleet that makes them different? Didn't a Turkish high speed train derail while moving to or from the classic lines a few months ago? How does the signalling system differ on the high-speed lines, compared with the classic lines? I think that the former does not have AWS. It dosent have signals full stop.... its signaled on TVM430 (the french TGV system, that is used in the channel tunnel) i belive that ETRMS level 2 is also overlaied on this, but im not sure exactly how much this is used Even if it does not have wayside signals, I would imagine that it has some sort of signalling system to regulate the Javelins' movements. Does it have any waysides, by the way, such as at stations or at points? |
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On 08/09/2010 20:48, allantracy wrote:
Ho ho ho, your wit knows no beginnings. Got any more? I bet everyone loves chatting to you down the pub. Pubs would be far to proletarian. I’ll have you know I once drank in a not for profit state owned bar, one of the members’ bars in the House of Commons. When I checked the price of my beer, boy had the state delivered. Figures I've seen quoted in recent "OMG MPs and their guests eat and drink it's disgusting!!!!" newspaper articles suggested the prices are more than in, say, a Trafalgar Square pub. Isn't a reason for the "low" price to do with not paying rent for the space? I suspect a lot of pubs could lower their prices if they got the space free (a place I used to work used to go on about the "subsidised" canteen, subsidised in that the contractors didn't pay rent. Nor did all the empty floors in the block, of course) -- Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK |
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On 08/09/10 22:13, wrote:
On 08/09/2010 21:31, Daniel Smith wrote: On 08/09/10 20:16, wrote: On 08/09/2010 19:17, Arthur Figgis wrote: On 08/09/2010 18:48, David Hansen wrote: On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 09:27:40 -0700 (PDT) someone who may be CJB wrote this:- http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...0mph-wobble.do I see that the campaign for the mass media to not call these trains Javelins at the moment seems to have had an effect. Rail operator Southeastern today admitted the trains were suffering “sideways movement” — an embarrassment for Japanese manufacturer Hitachi, Which ISTR tells us that their trains will "work straight out of the box". What manufacturer is going to say otherwise? (maybe AnsaldoBreda!) The problem is believed to be caused because the trains have to switch between the high-speed line and conventional tracks at Ashford and Ebbsfleet. Trains have to switch between high-speed lines and "conventional tracks" at quite a large number of places around the world. What is it about Ashford and Ebbsfleet that makes them different? Didn't a Turkish high speed train derail while moving to or from the classic lines a few months ago? How does the signalling system differ on the high-speed lines, compared with the classic lines? I think that the former does not have AWS. It dosent have signals full stop.... its signaled on TVM430 (the french TGV system, that is used in the channel tunnel) i belive that ETRMS level 2 is also overlaied on this, but im not sure exactly how much this is used Even if it does not have wayside signals, I would imagine that it has some sort of signalling system to regulate the Javelins' movements. Does it have any waysides, by the way, such as at stations or at points? AFAIK just the normal TVM430 yellow and blue boards |
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22:42:55 on Wed, 8 Sep 2010, Arthur Figgis remarked: I’ll have you know I once drank in a not for profit state owned bar, one of the members’ bars in the House of Commons. When I checked the price of my beer, boy had the state delivered. Figures I've seen quoted in recent "OMG MPs and their guests eat and drink it's disgusting!!!!" newspaper articles suggested the prices are more than in, say, a Trafalgar Square pub. When I was last bought a drink on the Terrace outside the HoL (about a year ago) I was surprised how much it cost. According to my host, any subsidies there once might have been are long gone. -- Roland Perry |
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On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 12:02:46 -0700 (PDT), Mizter T
wrote: On Sep 8, 6:53*pm, Roland Perry wrote: [snip] taking spectators from St Pancras to the Olympics park in Stratford in seven minutes. To the Park. Really? Surely that's only going to get as far as the station, near the park. Yes, to the Park (Really) - Stratford International is bang on the edge of the Olympic Park. How far away is the opposite "edge" ? The problem is believed to be caused because the trains have to switch between the high-speed line and conventional tracks at Ashford and Ebbsfleet. Dodgy points then. Do they have no "wobble" anywhere else? Did you read the article? |
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On 08/09/2010 22:45, Daniel Smith wrote:
On 08/09/10 22:13, wrote: On 08/09/2010 21:31, Daniel Smith wrote: On 08/09/10 20:16, wrote: On 08/09/2010 19:17, Arthur Figgis wrote: On 08/09/2010 18:48, David Hansen wrote: On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 09:27:40 -0700 (PDT) someone who may be CJB wrote this:- http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...0mph-wobble.do I see that the campaign for the mass media to not call these trains Javelins at the moment seems to have had an effect. Rail operator Southeastern today admitted the trains were suffering “sideways movement” — an embarrassment for Japanese manufacturer Hitachi, Which ISTR tells us that their trains will "work straight out of the box". What manufacturer is going to say otherwise? (maybe AnsaldoBreda!) The problem is believed to be caused because the trains have to switch between the high-speed line and conventional tracks at Ashford and Ebbsfleet. Trains have to switch between high-speed lines and "conventional tracks" at quite a large number of places around the world. What is it about Ashford and Ebbsfleet that makes them different? Didn't a Turkish high speed train derail while moving to or from the classic lines a few months ago? How does the signalling system differ on the high-speed lines, compared with the classic lines? I think that the former does not have AWS. It dosent have signals full stop.... its signaled on TVM430 (the french TGV system, that is used in the channel tunnel) i belive that ETRMS level 2 is also overlaied on this, but im not sure exactly how much this is used Even if it does not have wayside signals, I would imagine that it has some sort of signalling system to regulate the Javelins' movements. Does it have any waysides, by the way, such as at stations or at points? AFAIK just the normal TVM430 yellow and blue boards I've seen them, and they are shaped in an arrow. Is that where they pick up hits? Can you provide a link about TVM 430, so that I might read and learn about it? |
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(Philip) wrote: On 08/09/2010 18:57, allantracy wrote: Which ISTR tells us that their trains will "work straight out of the box". It_s still an unfortunate fact that most of the recently imported foreign technology has worked a darn sight better from day one than anything home produced we have encountered before. The days of newly delivered stock parked up for months on end, for one problem or another, before finally entering service does seem to be a thing of the past. I thought that was a German problem right now. I seem to recall that the Derby built Class 357 was named Britain's most reliable train at this year's Golden Spanners. It wasn't like that when they were new. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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On 08/09/10 23:51, wrote:
On 08/09/2010 22:45, Daniel Smith wrote: On 08/09/10 22:13, wrote: On 08/09/2010 21:31, Daniel Smith wrote: On 08/09/10 20:16, wrote: On 08/09/2010 19:17, Arthur Figgis wrote: On 08/09/2010 18:48, David Hansen wrote: On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 09:27:40 -0700 (PDT) someone who may be CJB wrote this:- http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...0mph-wobble.do I see that the campaign for the mass media to not call these trains Javelins at the moment seems to have had an effect. Rail operator Southeastern today admitted the trains were suffering “sideways movement” — an embarrassment for Japanese manufacturer Hitachi, Which ISTR tells us that their trains will "work straight out of the box". What manufacturer is going to say otherwise? (maybe AnsaldoBreda!) The problem is believed to be caused because the trains have to switch between the high-speed line and conventional tracks at Ashford and Ebbsfleet. Trains have to switch between high-speed lines and "conventional tracks" at quite a large number of places around the world. What is it about Ashford and Ebbsfleet that makes them different? Didn't a Turkish high speed train derail while moving to or from the classic lines a few months ago? How does the signalling system differ on the high-speed lines, compared with the classic lines? I think that the former does not have AWS. It dosent have signals full stop.... its signaled on TVM430 (the french TGV system, that is used in the channel tunnel) i belive that ETRMS level 2 is also overlaied on this, but im not sure exactly how much this is used Even if it does not have wayside signals, I would imagine that it has some sort of signalling system to regulate the Javelins' movements. Does it have any waysides, by the way, such as at stations or at points? AFAIK just the normal TVM430 yellow and blue boards I've seen them, and they are shaped in an arrow. Is that where they pick up hits? Can you provide a link about TVM 430, so that I might read and learn about it? sure, but googling it gives this as the top hit... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmission_Voie-Machine also some info on Railsigns.co.uk http://www.railsigns.co.uk/info/tvm1/tvm1.html |
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On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 20:49:35 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote: I must go down and scout it out when it's finished. Hopefully the entrance to the park is near the station (like the Dome), not half a mile round the corner? Apparently the entrance will be at the station but people face a walk of up to a mile to get to some of the venues... |
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Thu, 9 Sep 2010, Ivor The Engine remarked: I must go down and scout it out when it's finished. Hopefully the entrance to the park is near the station (like the Dome), not half a mile round the corner? Apparently the entrance will be at the station but people face a walk of up to a mile to get to some of the venues... Looking at some maps I see that the main stadium is actually further from Stratford International station than the current/"regional" station. -- Roland Perry |
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On 8 Sep, 18:53, Roland Perry wrote:
The problems emerged only months after Southeastern trains began running services So they didn't wobble to start with? It does seem to me that they have got worse recently. However, I usually travel in the London-most car, which is a trailer, and it seems to be the motor cars in the middle that have it worst, at least in my experience. -- Roy |
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[snip] Curious. The trains are timetabled at only 125MPH, with higher speeds only used to catch up when running late. Presumably the speeds in tunnel are lower still? |
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On Sep 8, 5:55*pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote: I'd also propose that NO trains have been 'sidelined' at any time. Some are modified, and some aren't, that's all. Still in service, then? The Standard seemed to be reporting as if they'd all been withdrawn for mods with all trains cancelled. Is the lurching any worse than, say, a Pendolino through Berkhamsted (just before Berko there is a particularly bad lurch and bang where the tilt mechanism reaches its full extent at the same time as a bad bit of track makes the suspension bottom and the cant increases). Actually, I've been tempted to report it in case there's actually something wrong - does anyone else know what I mean and have a view? Neil |
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Neil Williams wrote:
On Sep 8, 5:55*pm, "Paul Scott" wrote: I'd also propose that NO trains have been 'sidelined' at any time. Some are modified, and some aren't, that's all. Still in service, then? The Standard seemed to be reporting as if they'd all been withdrawn for mods with all trains cancelled. Is the lurching any worse than, say, a Pendolino through Berkhamsted (just before Berko there is a particularly bad lurch and bang where the tilt mechanism reaches its full extent at the same time as a bad bit of track makes the suspension bottom and the cant increases). Actually, I've been tempted to report it in case there's actually something wrong - does anyone else know what I mean and have a view? I think I know exactly what you mean. There was a particular spot on my commute home from London to Haywards Heath/Brighton where there was a terrific 'lurch', just south of Redhill station where the "Quarry Line" (Redhill-avoiding main line) rejoined the line that runs through Redhill station. It was at its worst in seats at the trailing ends of Class 319 coaches, or in the motor coach of a 4-BIG, CIG or VEP when the suspension would bottom out with a bang. I did report it, several times, as did many other passengers (apparently) and eventually some work was done to the track that reduced the 'lurch' to something more tolerable. What you have described as 'lurching' that is pretty common in Pendolinos. I've had about 15-16 trips in them this year, all north of Milton Keynes, and they all suffer that problem at several points between Rugby and Stafford - to the point where I doubt they were ever credibly going to run in service at 140 mph as I have said on here before. The 'hunting' of the Class 395s is quite different. Rather than a one-off 'lurch' at a particular location, 'hunting' is a resonant oscillation of a dynamic system that can continue for several minutes. It is loud, uncomfortable and unpleasant. It can be quite alarming to passengers because it is quite clearly uncontrolled, even though it probably poses a low risk to safety. This continuous 'hunting' is therefore quite different from the one-off 'lurching'. |
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On 9 Sep, 10:29, Neil Williams wrote:
On Sep 8, 5:55*pm, "Paul Scott" wrote: I'd also propose that NO trains have been 'sidelined' at any time. Some are modified, and some aren't, that's all. Still in service, then? *The Standard seemed to be reporting as if they'd all been withdrawn for mods with all trains cancelled. Is the lurching any worse than, say, a Pendolino through Berkhamsted (just before Berko there is a particularly bad lurch and bang where the tilt mechanism reaches its full extent at the same time as a bad bit of track makes the suspension bottom and the cant increases). Actually, I've been tempted to report it in case there's actually something wrong - does anyone else know what I mean and have a view? Neil No, it's old fashioned hunting due to the lateral damping being too soft. solved by a simple mod. Roger |
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On Sep 9, 10:29*am, Neil Williams wrote: On Sep 8, 5:55*pm, "Paul Scott" wrote: I'd also propose that NO trains have been 'sidelined' at any time. Some are modified, and some aren't, that's all. Still in service, then? *The Standard seemed to be reporting as if they'd all been withdrawn for mods with all trains cancelled. The Standard report is thoroughly misleading - they're still in service, but trains are being taken out of service for mods. |
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"Ivor The Engine" wrote in message ... On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 20:49:35 +0100, Roland Perry wrote: I must go down and scout it out when it's finished. Hopefully the entrance to the park is near the station (like the Dome), not half a mile round the corner? Apparently the entrance will be at the station but people face a walk of up to a mile to get to some of the venues... How shocking! People will have to do some exercise? And at an Olympic site?! This sort of thing should be stopped at once! ;-) |
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"Recliner" wrote in message ... wrote in message [snip] Curious. The trains are timetabled at only 125MPH, with higher speeds only used to catch up when running late. Presumably the speeds in tunnel are lower still? No, the max speed in the newer section from Southfleet Jn to London is 230 km/h (140 mph). It is Eurostar that is running below normal speed in this whole section, including the London tunnels... The proper LGV speeds cease where they used to turn off into South London Paul S |
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In message , Ivor The Engine
writes Apparently the entrance will be at the station but people face a walk of up to a mile to get to some of the venues... More like a walk of 150 miles to get to the furthest venue. :) Actually, I doubt that the public would have to walk as far as a mile to get to any of the venues within the park, as the more distant areas from the entrance are not for the public (e.g. the athletes' warm-up area and the huge media centre are both on the far perimeter). The Olympic Park is actually quite small (c.500 acres) - not much bigger than Regent's Park, in fact. -- Paul Terry |
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On Wed, 8 Sep 2010, wrote:
On 08/09/2010 21:31, Daniel Smith wrote: On 08/09/10 20:16, wrote: How does the signalling system differ on the high-speed lines, compared with the classic lines? I think that the former does not have AWS. It dosent have signals full stop.... its signaled on TVM430 (the french TGV system, that is used in the channel tunnel) i belive that ETRMS level 2 is also overlaied on this, but im not sure exactly how much this is used Even if it does not have wayside signals, I would imagine that it has some sort of signalling system to regulate the Javelins' movements. Tessa Sanderson standing at one end? tom -- Just add a little flange and phase in |
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