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Ken Wilshire[_2_] October 21st 10 09:53 AM

Closest Bus Stops on Same Route
 
October Half Term Challenge

On the 213 and 151 routes in North Cheam there is a bus stop
immediately either side of the A24 on the A2043 Malden Road and Cheam
Common Road.

The two westbound stops are less than 100m apart (haven't measured it
exactly but will do if necessary). Is this the record?

So, what is the shortest distance between two bus stops?

Ken

Roland Perry October 21st 10 10:09 AM

Closest Bus Stops on Same Route
 
In message
, at
02:53:27 on Thu, 21 Oct 2010, Ken Wilshire
remarked:
what is the shortest distance between two bus stops?


I know this is utl, but there are two bus stops just under 100m apart on
the road where I live in Nottingham, so this isn't especially unusual.
--
Roland Perry

Paul October 21st 10 10:29 AM

Closest Bus Stops on Same Route
 
On 21 Oct, 11:09, Roland Perry wrote:
In message
, at
02:53:27 on Thu, 21 Oct 2010, Ken Wilshire
remarked:

what is the shortest distance between two bus stops?


I know this is utl, but there are two bus stops just under 100m apart on
the road where I live in Nottingham, so this isn't especially unusual.
--
Roland Perry


There are also two stops on the southbound 158. One immediately north
of Forest Road and opposite the "Tryst" pub and Standard Music Venue,
and one south of Forest Road opposite Blackhorse Road station. I
would be surprised if these are more than 100 metres apart.

Robin[_3_] October 21st 10 10:52 AM

Closest Bus Stops on Same Route
 
On the 213 and 151 routes in North Cheam there is a bus stop
immediately either side of the A24 on the A2043 Malden Road and Cheam
Common Road.

The two westbound stops are less than 100m apart (haven't measured it
exactly but will do if necessary). Is this the record?

displacement_activity
Google Maps/Streetview suggests ~135m between Stop A in the NorthWest
and Stop G in the SouthEast. Have I got the wrong stops please, or
wrong end of stick, or even fewer neurons, ....?
/displacement_activity

--
Robin
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Peter Lawrence[_3_] October 21st 10 04:21 PM

Closest Bus Stops on Same Route
 
On 21/10/2010 17:06, David F wrote:
On 21 Oct, 10:53, Ken wrote:
October Half Term Challenge

On the 213 and 151 routes in North Cheam there is a bus stop
immediately either side of the A24 on the A2043 Malden Road and Cheam
Common Road.

The two westbound stops are less than 100m apart (haven't measured it
exactly but will do if necessary). Is this the record?

So, what is the shortest distance between two bus stops?


Leonard St stop and Epworth St stop on Moorgate can't be much more
than 100m apart.


St Pancras International and Kings Cross (eastbound)??

Ken Wheatley October 21st 10 04:37 PM

Closest Bus Stops on Same Route
 
On 2010-10-21 17:06:31 +0100, David F said:

On 21 Oct, 10:53, Ken Wilshire wrote:
October Half Term Challenge

On the 213 and 151 routes in North Cheam there is a bus stop
immediately either side of the A24 on the A2043 Malden Road and Cheam
Common Road.

The two westbound stops are less than 100m apart (haven't measured it
exactly but will do if necessary). *Is this the record?

So, what is the shortest distance between two bus stops?


Leonard St stop and Epworth St stop on Moorgate can't be much more
than 100m apart.


The two stops on the 41 at Turnpike Lane; just before it turns into
Turnpike Lane, and turnpike Lane itself; can't be over 60m apart.


MIG October 21st 10 04:51 PM

Closest Bus Stops on Same Route
 
On 21 Oct, 17:37, Ken Wheatley wrote:
On 2010-10-21 17:06:31 +0100, David F said:

On 21 Oct, 10:53, Ken Wilshire wrote:
October Half Term Challenge


On the 213 and 151 routes in North Cheam there is a bus stop
immediately either side of the A24 on the A2043 Malden Road and Cheam
Common Road.


The two westbound stops are less than 100m apart (haven't measured it
exactly but will do if necessary). *Is this the record?


So, what is the shortest distance between two bus stops?


Leonard St stop and Epworth St stop on Moorgate can't be much more
than 100m apart.


The two stops on the 41 at Turnpike Lane; just before it turns into
Turnpike Lane, and turnpike Lane itself; can't be over 60m apart.


Does it have to be distance by road? There's been discussion before
of adjacent stops on opposite sides of dual carriageways. Even if the
stop is simply round a corner, the crowflies distance must be less.

Ken Wilshire[_2_] October 21st 10 04:52 PM

Closest Bus Stops on Same Route
 
On 21 Oct, 11:52, "Robin" wrote:
On the 213 and 151 routes in North Cheam there is a bus stop
immediately either side of the A24 on the A2043 Malden Road and Cheam
Common Road.


The two westbound stops are less than 100m apart (haven't measured it
exactly but will do if necessary). *Is this the record?


displacement_activity
Google Maps/Streetview suggests ~135m between Stop A in the NorthWest
and Stop G in the SouthEast. *Have I got the wrong stops please, or
wrong end of stick, or even fewer neurons, ....?
/displacement_activity

--
Robin
PM may be sent to rbw0{at}hotmail{dot}com


Robin

I measured it - from the end of the westerly stop to the front of the
easterly stop is 110m (ok - it felt like under 100m). The easterly
stop has no markings - it is nearly up to the traffic lights in the
first of three lanes at the mouth of the junction. The stop beyond
the junction was a bit further than I thought - maybe on the day I was
on it, it pulled up a bit early!

Ken

Clive D. W. Feather[_2_] October 21st 10 06:53 PM

Closest Bus Stops on Same Route
 
In message , Roland Perry
wrote:
what is the shortest distance between two bus stops?

I know this is utl, but there are two bus stops just under 100m apart
on the road where I live in Nottingham,


And in the village where I live.

so this isn't especially unusual.


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Mizter T October 21st 10 08:06 PM

Closest Bus Stops on Same Route
 

On Oct 21, 7:52*pm, Paul Corfield wrote:

On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 02:53:27 -0700 (PDT), Ken Wilshire
wrote:
October Half Term Challenge


On the 213 and 151 routes in North Cheam there is a bus stop
immediately either side of the A24 on the A2043 Malden Road and Cheam
Common Road.


The two westbound stops are less than 100m apart (haven't measured it
exactly but will do if necessary). *Is this the record?


So, what is the shortest distance between two bus stops?


Buses from Hoe Street Walthamstow that terminate at the Bus Station drop
off by the tube / rail station and then turn into the bus station and
stop to set down at the very first stop. *If that's more than 100 metres
I'd be surprised although I recognise the circumstances are a tad
unusual.


At Elephant & Castle, bus stops V and Z are very close - literally
around the corner from each other - and drawing lines on Google Earth
suggests the edges of the yellow bus stop boxes are less than 80
metres from each other, though these are long bus stops (served by
many frequent routes) so buses will normally travel a bit further than
that. It does however makes perfect sense from an interchange
maximisation point of view - both stops are served by routes 12 and
148.

Offramp October 22nd 10 08:53 AM

Closest Bus Stops on Same Route
 
Here's an odd one. I was on the 57 (possibly the 131) travelling from
South Wimbledon station towards Wimbledon station. The bus stopped at
the Wimbledon Theatre bus stop. I thought, I could get off here and go
to the Wibbas Down Inn.
Too late! The bus moved off and stopped around the corner in Sir Cyril
Black Way. I realised that I could get off here at the more southerly
entrance to The Wibbas Down Inn. And I did!
A pub with a bus stop at each entrance.

Michael R N Dolbear October 22nd 10 06:21 PM

Closest Bus Stops on Same Route
 
Ken Wilshire wrote in article
...
October Half Term Challenge

On the 213 and 151 routes in North Cheam there is a bus stop
immediately either side of the A24 on the A2043 Malden Road and Cheam
Common Road.

The two westbound stops are less than 100m apart (haven't measured it
exactly but will do if necessary). Is this the record?

So, what is the shortest distance between two bus stops?


My entry would be the road past Richmond railway station. Northbound
"The Quadrant" and "Richmond Station" are very close, not sure about
the opposite direction.

--
Mike D



Robin[_3_] October 22nd 10 06:40 PM

Closest Bus Stops on Same Route
 

I measured it - from the end of the westerly stop to the front of the
easterly stop is 110m (ok - it felt like under 100m). The easterly
stop has no markings - it is nearly up to the traffic lights in the
first of three lanes at the mouth of the junction. The stop beyond
the junction was a bit further than I thought - maybe on the day I was
on it, it pulled up a bit early!

Fair enough - though in mitigation may I plead that I was trying to
measure between the 2 bus stop posts and flags[1]? If you are taking
the shortest distance between the cages[1] on the road (where there is a
cage) the answers will be different. IIRC TFL aim for a minimum of 33m
cage.

[1] I hope I've recalled the right terminology but in case I've
cocked-up by "cage" I mean the box painted on the road

--
Robin
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Ken Wilshire[_2_] October 23rd 10 09:36 AM

Closest Bus Stops on Same Route
 
On 22 Oct, 19:40, "Robin" wrote:
I measured it - from the end of the westerly stop to the front of the
easterly stop is 110m (ok - *it felt like under 100m). *The easterly
stop has no markings - it is nearly up to the traffic lights in the
first of three lanes at the mouth of the junction. *The stop beyond
the junction was a bit further than I thought - maybe on the day I was
on it, it pulled up a bit early!


Fair enough - though in mitigation may I plead that I was trying to
measure between the 2 bus stop posts and flags[1]? *If you are taking
the shortest distance between the cages[1] on the road (where there is a
cage) the answers will be different. *IIRC TFL aim for a minimum of 33m
cage.

[1] I hope I've recalled the right terminology but in case I've
cocked-up by "cage" I mean the box painted on the road

--
Robin
PM may be sent to rbw0{at}hotmail{dot}com


Robin

Yes - they have just extended the cage of the westbound stop to at
least 33m in length and extended it towards the A24 junction - so the
gap literally has ootten shorter by the day (well once on one day) so
my bus didn't pull up short, it pulled up in the new boxed area...

Roland Perry October 23rd 10 10:03 AM

Closest Bus Stops on Same Route
 
In message , at 19:40:59 on Fri, 22
Oct 2010, Robin remarked:

I plead that I was trying to measure between the 2 bus stop posts and
flags


I was doing posts as well. And I've remembered two stops by Nottingham
Station which are very close: S4 & ME01

S4 only has a small (for Nottingham) number of buses stopping there, but
most of them also stop at ME01, plus a shedload more from S1-S3.

http://goo.gl/maps/GeM7

Interestingly, when the station is remodelled soon (not cancelled, just
toned down a bit), the "virtually all services" ME01 will be closer to
the ticket office than the segregated by general destination" stops
S1-S3, which are the ones almost all passengers use today. But perhaps
they'll also remodel the bus stops.
--
Roland Perry

tim.... October 23rd 10 10:29 AM

Closest Bus Stops on Same Route
 

"Michael R N Dolbear" wrote in message
news:01cb7201$6eac23e0$LocalHost@default...
Ken Wilshire wrote in article
...
October Half Term Challenge

On the 213 and 151 routes in North Cheam there is a bus stop
immediately either side of the A24 on the A2043 Malden Road and Cheam
Common Road.

The two westbound stops are less than 100m apart (haven't measured it
exactly but will do if necessary). Is this the record?

So, what is the shortest distance between two bus stops?


My entry would be the road past Richmond railway station. Northbound
"The Quadrant" and "Richmond Station" are very close, not sure about
the opposite direction.


If you mean where I think you mean, there isn't an equivalent stop in the
other direction

tim



[email protected] October 23rd 10 12:25 PM

Closest Bus Stops on Same Route
 
What generally is the shortest distance between any two fixed bus stops
anywhere within London Buses? What is the longest distance?

Colin McKenzie October 25th 10 07:27 PM

Closest Bus Stops on Same Route
 
On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 10:53:27 +0100, Ken Wilshire
wrote:
October Half Term Challenge

On the 213 and 151 routes in North Cheam there is a bus stop
immediately either side of the A24 on the A2043 Malden Road and Cheam
Common Road.

The two westbound stops are less than 100m apart (haven't measured it
exactly but will do if necessary). Is this the record?


[I've read whole thread so far]

I think there's a difference between stops close together on the same road
with no major junctions between them, like the one I'm about to describe,
and stops either side of big junctions, where the time to get to the other
stop may be long even though the distance is short, or there may be
different combinations of routes serving each.

On Boston Road, Hanwell, there's a northbound stop at Elthorne Park, and
another 110m north, flag to flag. The next stop after that is about 1200
metres away. Southbound stops are much more sensibly spaced.

There is a plan to relocate it to give gaps of 800 and 500 metres, subject
to consultation.

It happened because a zebra was built where one of the northbound stops
had been, so it was moved to the nearest feasible location without too
much thought about where other stops were.

Colin McKenzie

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Michael R N Dolbear October 26th 10 06:58 PM

Closest Bus Stops on Same Route
 
tim.... wrote

"Michael R N Dolbear" wrote
Ken Wilshire wrote


October Half Term Challenge


So, what is the shortest distance between two bus stops?


My entry would be the road past Richmond railway station.

Northbound
"The Quadrant" and "Richmond Station" are very close, not sure

about
the opposite direction.


If you mean where I think you mean, there isn't an equivalent stop in

the
other direction


In fact there is, I checked today when interchanging from 65 to 190 on
the way to Chiswick House.

Station side, ie on the way into Richmond.
stops E/D Richmond Station
stop F The Quadrant 135m on.

Opposite to station side, ie on the way out of Richmond

stop B George St
stop C The Quadrant after 200m
stop M Richmond Station after 100m

(This being my original entry).

--
Mike D


cj October 27th 10 08:05 PM

Closest Bus Stops on Same Route
 
On Oct 23, 1:25*pm, "
wrote:
What generally is the shortest distance between any two fixed bus stops
anywhere within London Buses? What is the longest distance?


The X68 will do about 6 miles between scheduled stops from Norwood to
Waterloo...
~cj


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