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ABBey 1234 (020 7222 1234) enquiry number is no more
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/contact/13879.aspx
From today one can no longer dial a London number to get London travel information, one has to dial the new 0843 222 1234 number - 0843 numbers of course cost more, from a BT line that's 5p a minute (plus a "call set up fee" aka connection fee of 10.9p), but the real sting is for those who call from mobiles - e.g. from an O2 contract phone it will cost 20p/min, or an O2 PAYG phone it'll cost 25p/min. And UIVMM the 0843 number range is not included within any inclusive allowances offered by any landline telco (BT, Virgin, Talk Talk etc), let alone any offered by a mobile provider. A regressive step, IMHO. One trusts that TfL will retain ownership of ABBey 1234 nonetheless (you never know, it could be put back into use in the future). As of this morning if you call the 7222 1234 number you'll hear a recorded message directing you to dial the new 0843 number. |
ABBey 1234 (020 7222 1234) enquiry number is no more
On 25 Oct, 08:45, "Mizter T" wrote:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/contact/13879.aspx From today one can no longer dial a London number to get London travel information, one has to dial the new 0843 222 1234 number - 0843 numbers of course cost more, from a BT line that's 5p a minute (plus a "call set up fee" aka connection fee of 10.9p), but the real sting is for those who call from mobiles - e.g. from an O2 contract phone it will cost 20p/min, or an O2 PAYG phone it'll cost 25p/min. And UIVMM the 0843 number range is not included within any inclusive allowances offered by any landline telco (BT, Virgin, Talk Talk etc), let alone any offered by a mobile provider. A regressive step, IMHO. One trusts that TfL will retain ownership of ABBey 1234 nonetheless (you never know, it could be put back into use in the future). As of this morning if you call the 7222 1234 number you'll hear a recorded message directing you to dial the new 0843 number. It is interesting to read the official blurb on the TfL website about the change. New, voice-activated service The new number includes a voice-activated service that will deal with simple A to B journeys between stations, hospitals, major landmarks or points of interest within the London area. If your journey's more complicated you can speak to a travel adviser Benefits No more waiting to speak to someone Get information easily and speedily On the phone for less time Travel advisers have more time for you if you do need them We'll be making even more improvements to this service soon - watch this space. It will be interesting to see how the "voice activated" service copes with the following tube journeys:- Morden to Wimbledon London Bridge to Liverpool Street Euston To Russell Square Walthamstow Central to Leytonstone All of which are generally quicker by bus. It never ceases to amaze me how deteriorations in service are dressed up as "improvements". Rather like the Royal Mail in my area who, motivated by a desire to "constantly improve our service to our customers" have decided that the last collection from the local pillar box will be at 5:30pm instead of 6:30pm. |
ABBey 1234 (020 7222 1234) enquiry number is no more
On 25 Oct, 14:37, Paul wrote:
On 25 Oct, 08:45, "Mizter T" wrote: http://www.tfl.gov.uk/contact/13879.aspx From today one can no longer dial a London number to get London travel information, one has to dial the new 0843 222 1234 number - 0843 numbers of course cost more, from a BT line that's 5p a minute (plus a "call set up fee" aka connection fee of 10.9p), but the real sting is for those who call from mobiles - e.g. from an O2 contract phone it will cost 20p/min, or an O2 PAYG phone it'll cost 25p/min. And UIVMM the 0843 number range is not included within any inclusive allowances offered by any landline telco (BT, Virgin, Talk Talk etc), let alone any offered by a mobile provider. A regressive step, IMHO. One trusts that TfL will retain ownership of ABBey 1234 nonetheless (you never know, it could be put back into use in the future). As of this morning if you call the 7222 1234 number you'll hear a recorded message directing you to dial the new 0843 number. *It is interesting to read the official blurb on the TfL website about the change. New, voice-activated service The new number includes a voice-activated service that will deal with simple A to B journeys between stations, hospitals, major landmarks or points of interest within the London area. If your journey's more complicated you can speak to a travel adviser Benefits No more waiting to speak to someone Get information easily and speedily On the phone for less time Travel advisers have more time for you if you do need them We'll be making even more improvements to this service soon - watch this space. It will be interesting to see how the "voice activated" service copes with the following tube journeys:- Morden to Wimbledon London Bridge to Liverpool Street Euston To Russell Square Walthamstow Central to Leytonstone All of which are generally quicker by bus. It never ceases to amaze me how deteriorations in service are dressed up as "improvements". Rather like the Royal Mail in my area who, motivated by a desire to "constantly improve our service to our customers" have decided that the last collection from the local pillar box will be at 5:30pm instead of 6:30pm. Of course it's an improvement. We can now make journeys of our own choice, freed from the burden of interference by travel advisors. |
ABBey 1234 (020 7222 1234) enquiry number is no more
On Oct 25, 12:45*am, "Mizter T" wrote:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/contact/13879.aspx From today one can no longer dial a London number to get London travel information, one has to dial the new 0843 222 1234 number - 0843 numbers of course cost more, from a BT line that's 5p a minute (plus a "call set up fee" aka connection fee of 10.9p), but the real sting is for those who call from mobiles - e.g. from an O2 contract phone it will cost 20p/min, or an O2 PAYG phone it'll cost 25p/min. And UIVMM the 0843 number range is not included within any inclusive allowances offered by any landline telco (BT, Virgin, Talk Talk etc), let alone any offered by a mobile provider. A regressive step, IMHO. One trusts that TfL will retain ownership of ABBey 1234 nonetheless (you never know, it could be put back into use in the future). As of this morning if you call the 7222 1234 number you'll hear a recorded message directing you to dial the new 0843 number. Agreed on all points. The new automated system could just as easily been implemented on the old, 020-7222 1234, number. |
ABBey 1234 (020 7222 1234) enquiry number is no more
On Oct 25, 9:09*pm, 1506 wrote: On Oct 25, 12:45*am, "Mizter T" wrote: http://www.tfl.gov.uk/contact/13879.aspx From today one can no longer dial a London number to get London travel information, one has to dial the new 0843 222 1234 number - 0843 numbers of course cost more, from a BT line that's 5p a minute (plus a "call set up fee" aka connection fee of 10.9p), but the real sting is for those who call from mobiles - e.g. from an O2 contract phone it will cost 20p/min, or an O2 PAYG phone it'll cost 25p/min. And UIVMM the 0843 number range is not included within any inclusive allowances offered by any landline telco (BT, Virgin, Talk Talk etc), let alone any offered by a mobile provider. A regressive step, IMHO. One trusts that TfL will retain ownership of ABBey 1234 nonetheless (you never know, it could be put back into use in the future). As of this morning if you call the 7222 1234 number you'll hear a recorded message directing you to dial the new 0843 number. Agreed on all points. *The new automated system could just as easily been implemented on the old, 020-7222 1234, number. Except that wouldn't have resulted in any revenue, whilst with the 0843 number, TfL gets a cut of the monies. |
ABBey 1234 (020 7222 1234) enquiry number is no more
On 25 Oct, 21:20, Mizter T wrote:
On Oct 25, 9:09*pm, 1506 wrote: On Oct 25, 12:45*am, "Mizter T" wrote: http://www.tfl.gov.uk/contact/13879.aspx From today one can no longer dial a London number to get London travel information, one has to dial the new 0843 222 1234 number - 0843 numbers of course cost more, from a BT line that's 5p a minute (plus a "call set up fee" aka connection fee of 10.9p), but the real sting is for those who call from mobiles - e.g. from an O2 contract phone it will cost 20p/min, or an O2 PAYG phone it'll cost 25p/min. And UIVMM the 0843 number range is not included within any inclusive allowances offered by any landline telco (BT, Virgin, Talk Talk etc), let alone any offered by a mobile provider. A regressive step, IMHO. One trusts that TfL will retain ownership of ABBey 1234 nonetheless (you never know, it could be put back into use in the future). As of this morning if you call the 7222 1234 number you'll hear a recorded message directing you to dial the new 0843 number. Agreed on all points. *The new automated system could just as easily been implemented on the old, 020-7222 1234, number. Except that wouldn't have resulted in any revenue, whilst with the 0843 number, TfL gets a cut of the monies. Does anyone know if they get a bigger cut of the bigger fees charged to mobiles for those numbers? I've never understood the logic behind that. |
ABBey 1234 (020 7222 1234) enquiry number is no more
On Oct 25, 9:49*pm, MIG wrote: On 25 Oct, 21:20, Mizter T wrote: On Oct 25, 9:09*pm, 1506 wrote: On Oct 25, 12:45*am, "Mizter T" wrote: http://www.tfl.gov.uk/contact/13879.aspx From today one can no longer dial a London number to get London travel information, one has to dial the new 0843 222 1234 number - 0843 numbers of course cost more, from a BT line that's 5p a minute (plus a "call set up fee" aka connection fee of 10.9p), but the real sting is for those who call from mobiles - e.g. from an O2 contract phone it will cost 20p/min, or an O2 PAYG phone it'll cost 25p/min. And UIVMM the 0843 number range is not included within any inclusive allowances offered by any landline telco (BT, Virgin, Talk Talk etc), let alone any offered by a mobile provider. A regressive step, IMHO. One trusts that TfL will retain ownership of ABBey 1234 nonetheless (you never know, it could be put back into use in the future). As of this morning if you call the 7222 1234 number you'll hear a recorded message directing you to dial the new 0843 number. Agreed on all points. *The new automated system could just as easily been implemented on the old, 020-7222 1234, number. Except that wouldn't have resulted in any revenue, whilst with the 0843 number, TfL gets a cut of the monies. Does anyone know if they get a bigger cut of the bigger fees charged to mobiles for those numbers? *I've never understood the logic behind that. I think the 'termination fee' (that is, the fee paid to the final telco, which in this instance it then shares with the called party) is the same regardless of where the call originates from (so the rest is kept by the mobile service provider) - so from a mobile users perspective it's a mighty expensive way for TfL to collect a few pennies for the call. |
ABBey 1234 (020 7222 1234) enquiry number is no more
On 26 Oct, 01:09, Mizter T wrote:
On Oct 25, 9:49*pm, MIG wrote: On 25 Oct, 21:20, Mizter T wrote: On Oct 25, 9:09*pm, 1506 wrote: On Oct 25, 12:45*am, "Mizter T" wrote: http://www.tfl.gov.uk/contact/13879.aspx From today one can no longer dial a London number to get London travel information, one has to dial the new 0843 222 1234 number - 0843 numbers of course cost more, from a BT line that's 5p a minute (plus a "call set up fee" aka connection fee of 10.9p), but the real sting is for those who call from mobiles - e.g. from an O2 contract phone it will cost 20p/min, or an O2 PAYG phone it'll cost 25p/min. And UIVMM the 0843 number range is not included within any inclusive allowances offered by any landline telco (BT, Virgin, Talk Talk etc), let alone any offered by a mobile provider. |
ABBey 1234 (020 7222 1234) enquiry number is no more
In message
, at 00:33:14 on Tue, 26 Oct 2010, MIG remarked: It leaves the question: why would it cost the mobile company more to connect to one of these numbers than to connect to any other number? It doesn't necessarily[1]. Phone calls are not priced on a cost-plus basis. [1] Although it probably does cost the mobile phone company more to carry the call from a handset to the interconnection point, than it would cost many landline operators. If "cost" takes everything into account. -- Roland Perry |
ABBey 1234 (020 7222 1234) enquiry number is no more
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 12:33:14AM -0700, MIG wrote:
Which makes sense from a billing point of view. It leaves the question: why would it cost the mobile company more to connect to one of these numbers than to connect to any other number? Because they get billed more by TfL's telco. However, them charging 20p+ a minute instead of just 5p a minute is "because we can". -- David Cantrell | Minister for Arbitrary Justice The word "urgent" is the moral of the story "The boy who cried wolf". As a general rule I don't believe it until a manager comes to me almost in tears. I like to catch them in a cup and drink them later. -- Matt Holiab, in the Monastery |
ABBey 1234 (020 7222 1234) enquiry number is no more
"Roland Perry" wrote in message ... In message , at 00:33:14 on Tue, 26 Oct 2010, MIG remarked: It leaves the question: why would it cost the mobile company more to connect to one of these numbers than to connect to any other number? It doesn't necessarily[1]. Phone calls are not priced on a cost-plus basis. [1] Although it probably does cost the mobile phone company more to carry the call from a handset to the interconnection point, than it would cost many landline operators. If "cost" takes everything into account. You may find there is an 020 0 or 020 1 number luring behind the new 0843 one. At some point I may investigate it. Train tracker (national rail) hides behind such numbers. For the time being no more finding out if the trains are running till I either get to the station, or can get a usable 3G signal and connection on my phone at the LST end. I had email correspondence with TfL about getting rid of the 020 7 number and it came down to; 1 a new phone system at there end 2 a new phone provider there end 3 better way to manage the call flows and traffic 4 not being tied into a 020 7 number which generally terminated on the 'correct' exchange. NGN numbers can be re-pointed and moved about with little effort - its much harder to move a geo number. |
ABBey 1234 (020 7222 1234) enquiry number is no more
In uk.transport.london Q ..@.. wrote:
NGN numbers can be re-pointed and moved about with little effort - its much harder to move a geo number. Not really... port it to VOIP and it's easy. Plus if they really needed an NGN there's the whole 03... range which is covered as if it were a geo number by everyone's inclusive packages. Only they don't get revenue share on 03. Theo |
ABBey 1234 (020 7222 1234) enquiry number is no more
On Oct 29, 10:39*pm, "Q" ..@.. wrote:
You may find there is an 020 0 or 020 1 number luring behind the new 0843 one. At some point I may investigate it. Train tracker (national rail) hides behind such numbers. saynoto0870.com says the number goes to 020 7222 5600 (I haven't tested it to see!). PhilD -- |
ABBey 1234 (020 7222 1234) enquiry number is no more
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ABBey 1234 (020 7222 1234) enquiry number is no more
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, Mizter T wrote: Except that wouldn't have resulted in any revenue, whilst with the 0843 number, TfL gets a cut of the monies. Does anyone know if they get a bigger cut of the bigger fees charged to mobiles for those numbers? *I've never understood the logic behind that. I think the 'termination fee' (that is, the fee paid to the final telco, which in this instance it then shares with the called party) is the same regardless of where the call originates from (so the rest is kept by the mobile service provider) - so from a mobile users perspective it's a mighty expensive way for TfL to collect a few pennies for the call. No. 0843 numbers are covered by the "NTS" regime. With these, the originating operator gets to charge a fee which is fixed by Ofcom, and then hands the rest over to the terminating operator. The size of the originating fee depends on where the call is handed over (and, therefore, how much of the originating operator's network is used). There are extra charges if number portability or a transit network is involved. In essence the terminating operator buys "origination" as a service at a controlled price. BT buy and sell origination under schedule 211 of the SIA http://www.btwholesale.com/pages/dow...port/contractu al_information/docs/nsia/nsch211.rtf. For calls to BT, handover is to be as close to the originating point as practical. 0843 222 isn't a BT range, but BT's termination fees for NTS services can be seen at: http://www.btwholesale.com/pages/dow...port/pricing_i nformation/carrier_price_list_browsable/B1_06.xls and http://www.btwholesale.com/pages/dow...port/pricing_i nformation/carrier_price_list_browsable/B1_06a.xls In effect, BT are saying "we'll pay you an origination fee of what you charge the customer minus this number". Other terminating operators will have their own prices. [Disclaimer: this hasn't been part of my job for two or three years now, so I don't guarantee its accuracy.] -- Clive D.W. Feather | Home: Mobile: +44 7973 377646 | Web: http://www.davros.org Please reply to the Reply-To address, which is: |
ABBey 1234 Update
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