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In message Jeremy Double
was claimed to have wrote:

A bathroom is a room with a bath... no ordinary members of the public
have access to trains fitted with baths in the UK.

That depends on where you're located, in the US a bathroom typically
means a lavatory (which may or may not include a shower or bath)

While this discussion is taking place in uk.* groups it's also in
misc.transport.urban-transit, so it's quite likely that one or more
members will interpret words based on local custom and not just one
specific region's definition.

In other words, you're both right.

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On Tue, 4 Jan 2011 23:19:41 -0800 (PST), 1506
wrote:
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-half-bathroom.htm

....applies only in the US and possibly Canada. Use that phrase in
the UK and people will just get confused.

If you prefer to use US terminology in a crosspost like this,
"restroom" will at least be understood internationally; in the UK a
"bathroom" always contains a bath, and indeed need not contain a WC.

Neil

--
Neil Williams, Milton Keynes, UK

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On Jan 2, 2:32*pm, Robert Cox wrote:
On 2011-01-01 20:25:29 +0000, D1039 said:



Patrick

[1] Assuming through trains still? I believe it's in the RUS
[2] Possibly involving attachment of the electric portion at Bristol
to the bi-mode half-set

But that sort of journey is not the target market for Crossrail. It is
a big city Metro-type operation. Think LUL's Central Line on steroids.

Exactly: High Capacity, lots of standing room, several sets of wide
doors, keen acceleration. Crossrail will have as much in common with
an Intercity operation as fast food with a gourmet meal.

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On Jan 5, 7:39*am, Neil Williams wrote:
On Tue, 4 Jan 2011 23:19:41 -0800 (PST), 1506
wrote:

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-half-bathroom.htm

...applies only in the US and possibly Canada. *Use that phrase in
the UK and people will just get confused.

If you prefer to use US terminology in a crosspost like this,
"restroom" will at least be understood internationally; in the UK a
"bathroom" always contains a bath, and indeed need not contain a WC.

Neil

One rarely has a problem asking the whereabouts of the bathroom in the
UK. And, had you refered to my link: John Lewis is hardly a North
American company.

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On 30 Dez. 2010, 20:56, Philip wrote:
On 30/12/2010 11:13, 1506 wrote:

And how do you think the Bristol and Norwich passengers will feel
about travelling in rapid transit trains with no bathrooms, many
draughty doors, and limited seating?

Bathrooms?! How many trains have bathrooms that you can think of?

The Orient Express?

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"amogles" wrote in message

On 30 Dez. 2010, 20:56, Philip wrote:
On 30/12/2010 11:13, 1506 wrote:

And how do you think the Bristol and Norwich passengers will feel
about travelling in rapid transit trains with no bathrooms, many
draughty doors, and limited seating?

Bathrooms?! How many trains have bathrooms that you can think of?

The Orient Express?

Actually, the Venice Simplon-Orient-Express train is quite poorly
equipped in this regard. Cabins only have washbasins, with lavatories at
the end of the carriages.

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On Jan 5, 12:23*pm, amogles wrote:
On 1 Jan., 13:41, Robert Cox wrote:

The Crossrail tunnels will cost billions and will have to be
intensively used to make any sort of financial sense. To maximise the
throughput station dwell times have to be minimised and this means
using vehicles which are optimised for the metro role. Intentionally
reducing the throughput of the tunnel from the theoretical maximum of
24 or 30[1] trains per hour in the peaks helps neither the groups of
people the tunnel is intended to help nor does it make operational
sense. Intercity stock is not designed to permit 20 sec station stops
or to accommodate large numbers of standing passengers[2].

Crossrail will be designed to handle the peak load at peak time. That
means that the rest of the time there will be spare capacity. How
about routing a limited number of intercity trains through the tunnel
at off peak times? It is precisely at late evenings that the lower
density of trains on the Underground makes changing btween London
terminii take longer. If the last trains to Bristols or Cardiff could
pick up theatre goers in central London that might help make the train
an option where it isn't today.

Great theory. Will your intercity trains be fitted with ATO and the
correct emergency equipment for the tunnel section? What happens when
stock is substituted?

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On Jan 5, 12:58*pm, "Recliner" wrote:
"amogles" wrote in message



On 30 Dez. 2010, 20:56, Philip wrote:
On 30/12/2010 11:13, 1506 wrote:

And how do you think the Bristol and Norwich passengers will feel
about travelling in rapid transit trains with no bathrooms, many
draughty doors, and limited seating?

Bathrooms?! How many trains have bathrooms that you can think of?

The Orient Express?

Actually, the Venice Simplon-Orient-Express train is quite poorly
equipped in this regard. Cabins only have washbasins, with lavatories at
the end of the carriages.

So, a bathroom at the end of each car. I assume that there are shower
facilities on board?

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"1506" wrote in message

On Jan 5, 12:58 pm, "Recliner" wrote:
"amogles" wrote in message



On 30 Dez. 2010, 20:56, Philip wrote:
On 30/12/2010 11:13, 1506 wrote:

And how do you think the Bristol and Norwich passengers will feel
about travelling in rapid transit trains with no bathrooms, many
draughty doors, and limited seating?

Bathrooms?! How many trains have bathrooms that you can think of?

The Orient Express?

Actually, the Venice Simplon-Orient-Express train is quite poorly
equipped in this regard. Cabins only have washbasins, with
lavatories at the end of the carriages.

So, a bathroom at the end of each car. I assume that there are shower
facilities on board?

Unfortunately not (one of the reasons I wouldn't contemplate a trip on
it). From www.orient-express.com/web/vsoe/journey_questions.jsp#122965
"Are there showers on board the Orient-Express?

No. These are the original 1920s carriages and as such do not have all
the modern amenities such as showers. Each cabin contains a wash basin
with hot and cold water."

However, the more modern Eastern & Oriental Express does have en suite
bathrooms with showers and toilet. The even more luxurious Rovos Rail
in South Africa offers a bathroom complete with separate shower and
victorian bath with its Royal suites (which take up half a carriage
each). www.rovos.com/train-royal.html

That's one train I would like to experience, but probably in the more
affordable Pullman suites which only have showers, not baths.

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On 05/01/2011 12:58, Recliner wrote:
wrote in message

On 30 Dez. 2010, 20:56, wrote:
On 30/12/2010 11:13, 1506 wrote:

And how do you think the Bristol and Norwich passengers will feel
about travelling in rapid transit trains with no bathrooms, many
draughty doors, and limited seating?

Bathrooms?! How many trains have bathrooms that you can think of?

The Orient Express?

Actually, the Venice Simplon-Orient-Express train is quite poorly
equipped in this regard. Cabins only have washbasins, with lavatories at
the end of the carriages.


The Canadian, washbasins and loos in the 1st class cabins with a shower
cubicle at the end of the corridor.


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