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If I may return to this thread ...

http://groups.google.com/group/uk.tr...d7666&lnk=ol&#


.... and LT/LU use or not of Up and Down, there is one current
(deliberate pun) LU location that today uses those terms.

It might be the ''exception to prove the rule'' so beloved of this
forum.

At Baker Street Metropolitan line there are trackside DC traction
section switches marked ''NEG 66A Up Loop'' and ''POS 66 Up Loop''.
These cab clearly be seen on the east side of the track at the north
end of Platform 4, just beyond the former signal cabin. They look like
old enamel signs but are definitely still in use. Did not really
notice them before, since the northward extension of Baker Street for
S8 stock if you sit in the extreme front of a train you are more or
less right next to this signage.

I'm not a surfaces lines person so I don't know the correct
designation of the ''loop'' track, it might not be called that today
by signallers, signals engineers, track people, or the operators.
Nevertheless ''Up'' appears on the traction switches and usually these
things are exactly correct because of the safety need for correct
identification.

--
Nick

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On Jan 29, 4:00*pm, D7666 wrote:

They look like old enamel signs but are definitely still in use.

The Met used to have "main line" pretensions, didn't it?

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On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 11:53:12 -0800 (PST), contrex
wrote:

On Jan 29, 4:00*pm, D7666 wrote:

They look like old enamel signs but are definitely still in use.

The Met used to have "main line" pretensions, didn't it?

It got as far as Verney Junction on it way to - where? Other mainline
attributes (not pretensions because they worked) was a Pullman car
from Verney Jct to the city.

Guy Gorton

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In article
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(D7666) wrote:

If I may return to this thread ...


http://groups.google.com/group/uk.tr...ead/thread/fba
798ecda19f2f/db55af3cab315254?hl=en&q=ouse+wind+d7666&lnk=ol&#

... and LT/LU use or not of Up and Down, there is one current
(deliberate pun) LU location that today uses those terms.

It might be the ''exception to prove the rule'' so beloved of this
forum.

At Baker Street Metropolitan line there are trackside DC traction
section switches marked ''NEG 66A Up Loop'' and ''POS 66 Up Loop''.
These cab clearly be seen on the east side of the track at the north
end of Platform 4, just beyond the former signal cabin. They look like
old enamel signs but are definitely still in use. Did not really
notice them before, since the northward extension of Baker Street for
S8 stock if you sit in the extreme front of a train you are more or
less right next to this signage.

I'm not a surfaces lines person so I don't know the correct
designation of the ''loop'' track, it might not be called that today
by signallers, signals engineers, track people, or the operators.
Nevertheless ''Up'' appears on the traction switches and usually these
things are exactly correct because of the safety need for correct
identification.

Isn't this just yet more evidence of the Met's long standing pretensions
to be a main line railway?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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It got as far as Verney Junction on it way to - where? Other mainline
attributes (not pretensions because they worked) was a Pullman car
from Verney Jct to the city.

Guy Gorton

To the Chairman's family seat, perhaps! There was a branch from Verney
Junction to Buckingham, which might have been in their minds. They might
even have had in mind a Chiltern Railways-like route to Oxford?

BTW there was a Pullman service from Chesham, too. Once the S stock is in
use the good folk of Chesham will think themselves spoilt just to be able to
get a seat on the train!

John A

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"JohnA" stuck@home wrote in message
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It got as far as Verney Junction on it way to - where? Other mainline
attributes (not pretensions because they worked) was a Pullman car
from Verney Jct to the city.

Guy Gorton

To the Chairman's family seat, perhaps! There was a branch from Verney
Junction to Buckingham, which might have been in their minds. They might
even have had in mind a Chiltern Railways-like route to Oxford?

BTW there was a Pullman service from Chesham, too. Once the S stock is in
use the good folk of Chesham will think themselves spoilt just to be able
to
get a seat on the train!

Aylesbury to Verney Junction started off as the Aylesbury and Buckingham
Railway. In 1869 the Chairman was the Duke of Buckingham, whosev address was
WEotton, Aylesbury, and the Deputy Chairman was Sir Harry Verney, Bart, MP,
of Claydon House, Winslow. This was later taken over, as far as Verney
Junction, by the Metroplitan, and beyond there by the London & North
Western. The Wotton Tramway (Quainton Road to Brill) also became part of the
Metropolitan - it had been built with at least an eye on an extension to
Oxford.

Peter

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On Jan 29, 11:57*pm, wrote:

Isn't this just yet more evidence of the Met's long standing pretensions
to be a main line railway?

I beat you to that by about 4 hours, Colin! ;) By the way, what a
about a certain group of people's long standing pretensions to be a
political party? ;) ;)

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"Tim Fenton" wrote in message
...

"JohnA" stuck@home wrote in message
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BTW there was a Pullman service from Chesham, too. Once the S stock is
in
use the good folk of Chesham will think themselves spoilt just to be
able
to
get a seat on the train!

From Chesham they will probably get a seat. I can see the real protests
coming from Moor Park.

--
Tim

Indeed, in the morning - but they'll have a fair old stand on the way home!

Did you read the response from the authorities? Basically:

It is not as bad as it seems as with today's body sizes you could not fit 3
on the longer A-stock bench seats!

What a cheeky cop-out - from someone who clearly doesn't use the Met.

JohnA

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On Jan 31, 8:40*am, "JohnA" stuck@home wrote:

on the longer A-stock bench seats!

What a cheeky cop-out - from someone who clearly doesn't use the Met.

I do use it - and I agree with it, 2+3 is not used.

S stock is way superior to A stock, 3+2 is a waste when most of it is
used 2+2 *and* potential aisle standing space becuase one of the '2's
is wider than it needs to be.

--
Nick

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On 29 Jan, 16:00, D7666 wrote:
If I may return to this thread ...

http://groups.google.com/group/uk.tr...se_thread/thre...

... and LT/LU use or not of Up and Down, there is one current
(deliberate pun) LU location that today uses those terms.

It might be the ''exception to prove the rule'' so beloved of this
forum.

At Baker Street Metropolitan line there are trackside DC traction
section switches marked ''NEG 66A Up Loop'' and ''POS 66 Up Loop''.
These cab clearly be seen on the east side of the track at the north
end of Platform 4, just beyond the former signal cabin. They look like
old enamel signs but are definitely still in use. Did not really
notice them before, since the northward extension of Baker Street for
S8 stock if you sit in the extreme front of a train you are more or
less right next to this signage.

I'm not a surfaces lines person so I don't know the correct
designation of the ''loop'' track, it might not be called that today
by signallers, signals engineers, track people, or the operators.
Nevertheless ''Up'' appears on the traction switches and usually these
things are exactly correct because of the safety need for correct
identification.

--
Nick

When I worked at Baker St, we always referred to the tracks as "up" or
"down", even on the Circle. Platform 5 was "up" and Platform 6 "down".