New countdown sign locations
A list of new locations for bus countdown signs has been published by TfL:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/proj...mes/11560.aspx I think it's strange that Walthamstow Bus Station isn't on the list. According to Wikipedia it's the third busiest bus station in London. There are several other bus station on the list. -- jhk |
New countdown sign locations
"Jarle H Knudsen" wrote: A list of new locations for bus countdown signs has been published by TfL: http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/proj...mes/11560.aspx I think it's strange that Walthamstow Bus Station isn't on the list. According to Wikipedia it's the third busiest bus station in London. There are several other bus station on the list. I'd suggest you've missed the big announcement here - which is that Countdown/iBus information is at last coming to the web (including a mobile web version) and also there's to be a text message service. This has been in the pipeline for some time, but it appears that it'll eventually arrive some time this year. Which just leaves me to say some joke about three new things all arriving at once. |
New countdown sign locations
In message of Wed, 30 Mar
2011 13:13:29 in uk.transport.london, Jarle H Knudsen writes A list of new locations for bus countdown signs has been published by TfL: http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/proj...mes/11560.aspx Thanks for that. I think it's strange that Walthamstow Bus Station isn't on the list. According to Wikipedia it's the third busiest bus station in London. There are several other bus station on the list. It certainly did not early in 2009, when I last looked at it. In theory, available staff should mean that it is unnecessary. In practice, station staff have no better information than customers. I found this at White City. I am delighted Hayes and Harlington Station will have one. I Used Surface Transport customer services to confirm the stop to be instrumented is "Towards Jeathrow or Hatton Cross". TfL does not yet publish bus stop names and numbers. Changing at HAY is sometimes a good interchange to Heathrow using Heathrow Connect. Oyster is not accepted between HAY and HXX. I find the excess cost of HCon to Heathrow outrageous. To and From Heathrow Airport: Single Fare Open Return Hayes & Harlington £4.90 £9.80 Book at ticket office London Paddington £8.50 £16.50 Book online Be advised: "A penalty fares system is in operation on this route between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington. Please ensure you purchase your ticket prior to boarding the train." -- Walter Briscoe |
New countdown sign locations
"Walter Briscoe" wrote: I am delighted Hayes and Harlington Station will have one. I Used Surface Transport customer services to confirm the stop to be instrumented is "Towards Jeathrow or Hatton Cross". TfL does not yet publish bus stop names and numbers. Changing at HAY is sometimes a good interchange to Heathrow using Heathrow Connect. Oyster is not accepted between HAY and HXX. I find the excess cost of HCon to Heathrow outrageous. To and From Heathrow Airport: Single Fare Open Return Hayes & Harlington £4.90 £9.80 Book at ticket office London Paddington £8.50 £16.50 Book online Just to quickly note, there's no discount available for buying Heathrow Connect tickets in advance online compared to buying on the day from a ticket machine/ ticket counter (unless one can find a valid promo code - ISTR there was a half-price offer last summer for Heathrow-Paddington and v.v. journeys on HC). Railcards (inc. the Network Railcard) do however give a discount, including for H&H to Heathrow and v.v. journeys. |
New countdown sign locations
Walter Briscoe wrote I am delighted Hayes and Harlington Station will have one. I Used Surface Transport customer services to confirm the stop to be instrumented is "Towards Jeathrow or Hatton Cross". TfL does not yet publish bus stop names and numbers. Bus stop names (England, Wales and Scotland) are available from http://www.nextbuses.mobi/ I assume the code in the url shown when you click on a stop is what you want http://www.nextbuses.mobi/departureb...869F6E7C2D1EAF D0C285A5E144.busmobile-p2?stopCode=40004405052B So "Hayes and Harlington(stop E)" (140 to Heathrow etc) is probably what you want, stopcode 490001144M http://www.nextbuses.mobi/ also answers Paul Corfield's complaint about services with no displayed timetable just "every 8-12 minutes" since, even before Live Departure information is available, it shows the actual underlying timetable, -- Mike D |
New countdown sign locations
On 2011\03\30 20:31, Paul Corfield wrote:
I still find it very odd that bus stations are seemingly excluded from the lists and yet if you look at Walthamstow virtually every stop before / after the bus station has a sign. Some of those stops are closer to town centre facilities than the bus station is. It doesn't make much sense to me given that bus station officials can't / won't say when a bus is due so they're not an option. If the argument is that everyone has a smart phone or can text then that's justification for not putting signs at any stop anywhere! If you look at the design of any new bus station outside London they nearly all have a master departure board listing all the buses due from every stand - sometimes in real time but more often just based on the timetabled time. What makes London so different other than a denser network and more frequent services? You could turn that round and say why bother providing real time info because the likely waiting time for a bus is so much shorter than most other cities where frequencies are not as generous. Presumably taxis aren't allowed in the bus station, so passengers there are a captive market, whereas passengers at nearby stops can choose the taxis which are returning to the neighbouring rank. Although since I think nearly all bus journeys are already paid for as part of a season pass or daily cap, I don't know whether the fear of losing passengers in this way has any cash value in the equation. |
New countdown sign locations
In message 01cbef23$178b73a0$LocalHost@default of Wed, 30 Mar 2011
22:22:13 in uk.transport.london, Michael R N Dolbear writes Thank you for an astoundingly interesting posting. Walter Briscoe wrote I am delighted Hayes and Harlington Station will have one. I Used Surface Transport customer services to confirm the stop to be instrumented is "Towards Jeathrow or Hatton Cross". TfL does not yet publish bus stop names and numbers. Bus stop names (England, Wales and Scotland) are available from http://www.nextbuses.mobi/ I assume the code in the url shown when you click on a stop is what you want http://www.nextbuses.mobi/departureb...869F6E7C2D1EAF D0C285A5E144.busmobile-p2?stopCode=40004405052B So "Hayes and Harlington(stop E)" (140 to Heathrow etc) is probably what you want, stopcode 490001144M Sadly, it is not. TfL places stop codes at its stops. At most stops they are on the bottom of the bus stop flag, showing the stop name. They are also placed at the bottom left corner of stop timetables. You can use http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/proj...hemes/11560.as px to link to the "List of stop locations" at http://www.tfl.gov.uk/as sets/downloads/corporate/Agreed-stop-locations.pdf where you can find Stop Code Stop Name Borough .... 15979 Hayes And Harlington Station London Borough of Hillingdon I could not see that stop code (15979) at http://www.nextbuses.mobi/. [snip] -- Walter Briscoe |
New countdown sign locations
"Basil Jet" wrote: On 2011\03\30 20:31, Paul Corfield wrote: I still find it very odd that bus stations are seemingly excluded from the lists and yet if you look at Walthamstow virtually every stop before / after the bus station has a sign. Some of those stops are closer to town centre facilities than the bus station is. It doesn't make much sense to me given that bus station officials can't / won't say when a bus is due so they're not an option. If the argument is that everyone has a smart phone or can text then that's justification for not putting signs at any stop anywhere! If you look at the design of any new bus station outside London they nearly all have a master departure board listing all the buses due from every stand - sometimes in real time but more often just based on the timetabled time. What makes London so different other than a denser network and more frequent services? You could turn that round and say why bother providing real time info because the likely waiting time for a bus is so much shorter than most other cities where frequencies are not as generous. Presumably taxis aren't allowed in the bus station, so passengers there are a captive market, whereas passengers at nearby stops can choose the taxis which are returning to the neighbouring rank. Although since I think nearly all bus journeys are already paid for as part of a season pass or daily cap, I don't know whether the fear of losing passengers in this way has any cash value in the equation. I don't think that will have featured as a consideration *one iota* here - the buses people aren't out to get at taxis. I'm curious as to where you got the idea that "nearly all" bus journeys are paid for with a season ticket or daily cap - leaving aside the fact that, with a bus-only cap (different with multi-modal caps), the first four bus journeys of the day are paid for (even if the last one currently costs 10p!), I really don't think that's the case - there'll be a very good number of people who just make one or two bus journeys a day (i.e. on a single bus each way). If people are commuting by bus, then if they use a single bus for their journey it works out cheaper paying by Oyster PAYG if they commute five times a week - i.e. 10 x GBP1.30 - or indeed even six times a week, compared to buying a weekly bus pass at GBP17.80 (or indeed a GBP68.40 monthly, at least for a five days a week commute). Of course a bus pass might be desirable anyway, to cover other non-commuting journeys or provide the flexibility to bus-hop on the way to or from work. |
New countdown sign locations
Walter Briscoe wrote
Sadly, it is not. TfL places stop codes at its stops. At most stops they are on the bottom of the bus stop flag, showing the stop name. They are also placed at the bottom left corner of stop timetables. You can use http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/proj...hemes/11560.as px to link to the "List of stop locations" at http://www.tfl.gov.uk/as sets/downloads/corporate/Agreed-stop-locations.pdf where you can find Stop Code Stop Name Borough ... 15979 Hayes And Harlington Station London Borough of Hillingdon I could not see that stop code (15979) at http://www.nextbuses.mobi/. No, thus when the the text message interface starts up the users will no doubt have to use a prefix, texting say Lon15979 since the Tfl codes are not unique, country wide as the Nextbuses ones have to be. The TFl site seems to have a dozen or more pages for every bus stop, not just the "new iBus display" ones in the above PDF, and each one gives the relevant Tfl stop code. I Googled [ Hayes Harlington "stop code" site:tfl.gov.uk] and got several, so TfL does in fact publish bus stop names and numbers and you can feed the names back into Nextbuses. Try [ "The Dysart" "stop code" site:tfl.gov.uk] -- Mike D |
New countdown sign locations
"Michael R N Dolbear" wrote: No, thus when the the text message interface starts up the users will no doubt have to use a prefix, texting say Lon15979 since the Tfl codes are not unique, country wide as the Nextbuses ones have to be. The TFl site seems to have a dozen or more pages for every bus stop, not just the "new iBus display" ones in the above PDF, and each one gives the relevant Tfl stop code. I Googled [ Hayes Harlington "stop code" site:tfl.gov.uk] and got several, so TfL does in fact publish bus stop names and numbers and you can feed the names back into Nextbuses. Try [ "The Dysart" "stop code" site:tfl.gov.uk] Yes, I was going to start a new thread about this revamped 'stations and stops' element of the TfL site which has recently appeared. |
New countdown sign locations
"Paul Corfield" wrote in message ... snip Shame that some of the extra £2.6bn TfL cut back couldn't have been diverted to increasing the number of signs to routes where knowing if a low frequency bus has been or not is actually really valuable for passengers. That would be too easy - this way they get to pump 12p per SMS out of people, along with all nice money they are now making off the 0843 travel information number - which I have to say is a dead loss having had to use it now a couple of times. It's almost as useful as the mobile journey planner for buses (Where you want to go from stop A to B but don't know the exact names, or codes) or even better trying to find disruption and where diverted buses are calling (Like Peckham at the moment) They could also save some money by taking out some of the masses of signs in certain places as you say above. The datafeed to the web will be useful *PROVIDED* it can be accessed via a mobile browser rather than enforced to a PC browser. I feel some more open data requests coming here :) |
New countdown sign locations
On Apr 5, 6:45*pm, "Q" ..@.. wrote: [...] The datafeed to the web will be useful *PROVIDED* it can be accessed via a mobile browser rather than enforced to a PC browser. From the press release that kicked off this thread... ---quote--- You'll also be able to get the latest service information using mobile web or the internet. Search by bus stop name, street name, area and postcode. You'll also be able to use a map if using a desktop PC. Web and text messaging services are scheduled to be available in 2011. ---/quote--- |
New countdown sign locations
"Mizter T" wrote in message
... On Apr 5, 6:45 pm, "Q" ..@.. wrote: [...] The datafeed to the web will be useful *PROVIDED* it can be accessed via a mobile browser rather than enforced to a PC browser. From the press release that kicked off this thread... ---quote--- You'll also be able to get the latest service information using mobile web or the internet. Search by bus stop name, street name, area and postcode. You'll also be able to use a map if using a desktop PC. Web and text messaging services are scheduled to be available in 2011. ---/quote--- Mybad for not fully reading! However, so long as the mobile version isn't like the mobile version of bus disruption then it should be nice to see this in action. |
New countdown sign locations
Paul Corfield wrote At present the timetable info is just what Journey Planner holds - irritatingly referring to intervals rather than minutes past the hour although even this practice varies widely between services. However the interface is clearly designed to pick up real time info when TfL link it across to I-Bus data. I have to say it looks quite promising [...] As noted, nexsbuses.mobi (which is run by traveline ) has the the underlying minutes past the hour for TfL bus services right now. Try Kingston Eden street D1 for a mix of TfL (time table) and non-TFL (time table plus occasional real time info for Abellio Surrey). -- Mike D |
New countdown sign locations
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Paul Corfield wrote: I tried doing Google searches based on the info provided by Mr Dolbear further down the thread. This brings up what I suspect is the web interface that TfL will use for this service. As he said it is possible to get the code numbers by googling for the name of your regular bus stops. I now have a list of the codes for my regular stops. There's a little toy I built last year that links through to the relevent pages on nextbuses.mobi based on your current location: http://dajam.org Tested on Android, and I beleive works on iPhone too. When the TfL web site launches, I'll update it to link to that too. The NaPTAN import it's using is around a year old, so it may not know about recent changes to bus stops. Feedback welcome. -roy |
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