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Simon Calder covered the M-F one-way ghost train from Olympia to
Wandsworth Road (1:20 into the video, if you want to skip the even rarer MK bus service). www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12945892 |
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"Recliner" wrote in message
... Simon Calder covered the M-F one-way ghost train from Olympia to Wandsworth Road (1:20 into the video, if you want to skip the even rarer MK bus service). www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12945892 AIUI, he's wrong to lay the blame at 'the train companies'. It was a DfT decision not to run a service over the various bits of route in question - therefore it is clearly down to them to apply for closure. Once ELL phase 2 opens the length requiring closure will shrink anyway, so that's possibly why they are waiting... Also, isn't the service two way at the moment between Kensington Olympia (not Shepherds Bush) and Wandsworth Rd? 1004 - 1020 s/b and 1612 - 1629 n/b So was this a BBC archive piece, or recent? Paul S |
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Paul Scott wrote:
So was this a BBC archive piece, or recent? From today. Here are his pieces in the Independent: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...o-2260119.html http://www.independent.co.uk/travel/...s-2259314.html Theo |
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... On 02 Apr 2011 19:29:30 +0100 (BST), Theo Markettos wrote: Paul Scott wrote: So was this a BBC archive piece, or recent? From today. Here are his pieces in the Independent: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...o-2260119.html http://www.independent.co.uk/travel/...s-2259314.html And he didn't really get the bus service story right either as there are two versions of the W13 bus serving Milton Keynes and local villages. One version runs more frequently that his 4 times a year version. I'd always assumed Mr Calder concentrated on facts - it would seem I was wrong. I suppose being totally accurate it isn't the 'Latchmere Curve' either - the lines being operated over are the up and down Kensington between Latchmere No 1 Jn and Longhedge Jn, and then over part of the Ludgate lines - the latter becoming part of ELL phase 2 idc... Paul S |
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And he didn't really get the bus service story right either as there are two versions of the W13 bus serving Milton Keynes and local villages. One version runs more frequently that his 4 times a year version. I'd always assumed Mr Calder concentrated on facts - it would seem I was wrong. Not quite. He said the W13 from MK to Henlow. He's correct in saying that only runs on fifth Tuesdays of the month, when it continues to Stondon (all of these services are by request). On third Tuesdays the other version of the W13 goes to Stondon and Shefford (via a different route). The combined W13 service runs to Stondon on both the third and fifth Tuesdays, so it runs 16ish times a year. I don't really see why these two services have the same number as they share no stops in common except in central MK. http://www.miltonkeynes.gov.uk/trans.../Wanderbus.pdf Theo |
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In message , at 17:02:16
on Sat, 2 Apr 2011, remarked: But why would any bus journey variant only run on the fifth Tuesday of a month? Seems utterly perverse. Could be the remains of a service which ran every 1st, 3rd and 5th Tuesday (the one on the 3rd is still extant, albeit a different route). -- Roland Perry |
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On Sat, 02 Apr 2011 17:02:16 -0500,
wrote: But why would any bus journey variant only run on the fifth Tuesday of a month? Seems utterly perverse. It's a local volunteer-run community minibus, and other services run on the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th Tuesdays of the month (and on other occasions). Details on www.mkweb.co.uk/transport - it's the "Whitbread Wanderbus" (no current connection with a brewery that I know of!). Neil -- Neil Williams, Milton Keynes, UK |
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On 02 Apr 2011 23:48:40 +0100 (BST), Theo Markettos
wrote: http://www.miltonkeynes.gov.uk/trans.../Wanderbus.pdf Sorry, the ones that run on other Tuesdays don't serve MK. Googling "Whitbread Wanderbus" will find them. I think the number is just an administrative thing and I doubt it is used for passenger purposes. It may just be a local authority contract ID. Neil -- Neil Williams, Milton Keynes, UK |
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On 2011\04\03 08:28, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 17:02:16 on Sat, 2 Apr 2011, remarked: But why would any bus journey variant only run on the fifth Tuesday of a month? Seems utterly perverse. Could be the remains of a service which ran every 1st, 3rd and 5th Tuesday (the one on the 3rd is still extant, albeit a different route). I suspect they might use the bus to run lots of different services such as one on the first and third Tuesday and another on the second and fourth Tuesday. When there are five Tuesdays in the month that bus would just be sitting around, so they might as well do something with it. So the bus company is being mocked for doing something eminently constructive. |
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Perry) wrote: In message , at 17:02:16 on Sat, 2 Apr 2011, remarked: But why would any bus journey variant only run on the fifth Tuesday of a month? Seems utterly perverse. Could be the remains of a service which ran every 1st, 3rd and 5th Tuesday (the one on the 3rd is still extant, albeit a different route). That barely rates as not perverse, frankly. What sort of vehicle utilisation would support such a service pattern, for example? -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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09:07:55 on Sun, 3 Apr 2011, Neil Williams remarked: But why would any bus journey variant only run on the fifth Tuesday of a month? Seems utterly perverse. It's a local volunteer-run community minibus So maybe it did run last week, but the journalist failed to recognise it (if he was looking for a conventional bus). That's happened to me a few times (generally overseas) where a shuttle (or transfer) "bus" has been difficult to spot unless you know what you are looking for. "Whitbread Wanderbus" (no current connection with a brewery that I know of!) It seems to be named after the Samuel Whitbread Community College, in Shefford. -- Roland Perry |
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In message , at 09:07:55 on Sun, 3 Apr 2011, Neil Williams remarked: But why would any bus journey variant only run on the fifth Tuesday of a month? Seems utterly perverse. It's a local volunteer-run community minibus So maybe it did run last week, but the journalist failed to recognise it (if he was looking for a conventional bus). That's happened to me a few times (generally overseas) where a shuttle (or transfer) "bus" has been difficult to spot unless you know what you are looking for. I think Simon Calder is pretty savvy, and wouldn't have missed it if it did run. The fact that he knew about it at all suggests he also knew what to look for. And as he was ready with his bike, I also suspect he knew it wouldn't turn up. Given how seldom it's supposed to run, I wonder if it actually runs at all. Who else would notice if it didn't? |
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In message , at 09:27:20
on Sun, 3 Apr 2011, remarked: What sort of vehicle utilisation would support such a service pattern, for example? Here's the full timetable: http://www.sheffordtown.co.uk/wanderbus-tt.html The 5th Tuesday route says "bookings advisable", and the return trip is by request. Maybe we shouldn't expect it to be leaving MK at the stated time, if there have been no bookings. Thursdays seem to be the highlight! It's also the first time I've seen public transport timetable where Monday services are bumped to Wednesday in the event of a Bank Holiday. -- Roland Perry |
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Sun, 3 Apr 2011, Recliner remarked: I think Simon Calder is pretty savvy, and wouldn't have missed it if it did run. The fact that he knew about it at all suggests he also knew what to look for. And as he was ready with his bike, I also suspect he knew it wouldn't turn up. Given how seldom it's supposed to run, I wonder if it actually runs at all. Who else would notice if it didn't? I'm going with the theory that he failed to book (for what's the return trip of the bus). I suppose he'd need his bike to get back to Milton Keynes, although he may not have intended to take the bus very far. As it's one of several services run by the minibus, many of them only once a month (but it goes somewhere virtually every weekday), I can't see why that particular one would be missed out, unless perhaps they had no bookings for the outbound leg either. -- Roland Perry |
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On Sun, 3 Apr 2011 15:52:30 +0100, "Recliner"
wrote: I wonder if it actually runs at all. Who else would notice if it didn't? I wonder if, as its purpose is to take villagers to/from MK or Stevenage (depending on the date), if it perhaps does not run all the way to MK/Stevenage, and thus does not operate the return journey (as all points seem to be on request), if there are no passengers from the villagers on the outward journey. Could do with saying so in the timetable if this is the case of course! Neil -- Neil Williams, Milton Keynes, UK |
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On Sun, 3 Apr 2011 16:14:07 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote: no bookings for the outbound leg either. It isn't meant to be DRT on the outward - but see my other post... Neil -- Neil Williams, Milton Keynes, UK |
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As I was wandering around the Clapham Junction / Imperial Wharf / Crystal
Palace area on Monday afternoon, and the time was right, I decided to take a trip on the parly train. Although I lived near Stewarts Road for a few years many years ago, I don't think I'd ever got a train from Wandsworth Road. Despite there being three other people on the platform, I managed to get a seat on the empty four car unit when it arrived! I'd intended getting off at Imperial Wharf, but then found it was fast to Olympia. After sitting outside Olympia for 4-5 minutes, the train terminated in the SB platform, where it became a stopper to Clapham Junction. It then formed the 16:34 back to Clapham Junction where it then went back to Olympia, so I don't know if this train just comes out of depot to do a PM peak shuttle service. Fares I couldn't buy a ticket at Wandsworth Road, and I don't need to buy tickets for the Overground, but I've just looked and seen that the single fare between Wandsworth Road and Olympia is £1.80, yet the single fare between Clapham Junction and Olympia (NR and Overground trains) is £4. That's a lot of money for what can be as little as 7 minutes for the journey time! Roger *From:* "Paul Scott" *Date:* Sat, 2 Apr 2011 18:21:03 +0100 "Recliner" wrote in message ... Simon Calder covered the M-F one-way ghost train from Olympia to Wandsworth Road (1:20 into the video, if you want to skip the even rarer MK bus service). www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12945892 AIUI, he's wrong to lay the blame at 'the train companies'. It was a DfT decision not to run a service over the various bits of route in question - therefore it is clearly down to them to apply for closure. Once ELL phase 2 opens the length requiring closure will shrink anyway, so that's possibly why they are waiting... Also, isn't the service two way at the moment between Kensington Olympia (not Shepherds Bush) and Wandsworth Rd? 1004 - 1020 s/b and 1612 - 1629 n/b So was this a BBC archive piece, or recent? Paul S |
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... Despite there being three other people on the platform, I managed to get a seat on the empty four car unit when it arrived! I'd intended getting off at Imperial Wharf, but then found it was fast to Olympia. After sitting outside Olympia for 4-5 minutes, the train terminated in the SB platform, where it became a stopper to Clapham Junction. It then formed the 16:34 back to Clapham Junction where it then went back to Olympia, so I don't know if this train just comes out of depot to do a PM peak shuttle service. It is the same 455 diagram that does the morning peak 'short workings' on the south of the WLL, finishing with the down service to Wandsworth Rd. It has a break at Selhurst depot over the mid-day period, so the implication is that it would run empty to Selhurst anyway if the parly wasn't required. I guess as SN are DOO in the metro area the extra costs of running in passenger servcie are fairly trivial. Paul S |
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