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Strike contingency plan Walthamstow to Heathrow
This year¢s London vacation is coming up, and what do you know? The RMT is
threatening to strike when one of us is flying home from Heathrow. We are staying in Walthamstow, near Bakers Arms (Lea Bridge Road/Hoe Street/High Road Leyton intersection)[1]. The flight is scheduled for 0950am on Thursday, June 30. If there is no tube, how do we best get to Heathrow? I assume other services are not affected. ----- [1] At the King William the Fourth Bar and Hotel, actually. A fantastic pub we discovered last year, with their own brewery next door, Brodie's Beers. Recommended! -- jhk |
Strike contingency plan Walthamstow to Heathrow
Jarle H Knudsen wrote on 09 June 2011 21:38:12 ...
This year’s London vacation is coming up, and what do you know? The RMT is threatening to strike when one of us is flying home from Heathrow. We are staying in Walthamstow, near Bakers Arms (Lea Bridge Road/Hoe Street/High Road Leyton intersection)[1]. The flight is scheduled for 0950am on Thursday, June 30. If there is no tube, how do we best get to Heathrow? I assume other services are not affected. Use the TfL Journey Planner and untick the Tube option. http://journeyplanner.tfl.gov.uk -- Richard J. (to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address) |
Strike contingency plan Walthamstow to Heathrow
In message , at 22:38:12 on
Thu, 9 Jun 2011, Jarle H Knudsen remarked: This year‚s London vacation is coming up, and what do you know? The RMT is threatening to strike when one of us is flying home from Heathrow. We are staying in Walthamstow, near Bakers Arms (Lea Bridge Road/Hoe Street/High Road Leyton intersection)[1]. The flight is scheduled for 0950am on Thursday, June 30. It often helps to say which terminal (or which airline so we can look it up). If there is no tube, how do we best get to Heathrow? I assume other services are not affecte d. That's a difficult journey even if everything's running. What time have you been told to be at Heathrow - 0650 recommended I'd have thought. Try a 'national rail' train from Walthamstow Central to Liverpool Street [05:19 is the first], taxi to Paddington [5 miles], then Heathrow Express [06.25 should be possible]. Or book a minicab all the way, which should take less than an hour that time of day. -- Roland Perry |
Strike contingency plan Walthamstow to Heathrow
In message , at 01:52:47 on Fri, 10
Jun 2011, Richard J. remarked: Use the TfL Journey Planner and untick the Tube option. http://journeyplanner.tfl.gov.uk That produces some very awkward bus journeys across Central London, and an end-to end time around 2 hours. It's an hour and 36 minutes when the tube's running (change at Finsbury park), after a 3/4 mile walk to Walthamstow Central tube (maybe the OP can find a bus for that). -- Roland Perry |
Strike contingency plan Walthamstow to Heathrow
On Jun 9, 9:38*pm, Jarle H Knudsen wrote:
This year s London vacation is coming up, and what do you know? The RMT is threatening to strike when one of us is flying home from Heathrow. We are staying in Walthamstow, near Bakers Arms (Lea Bridge Road/Hoe Street/High Road Leyton intersection)[1]. The flight is scheduled for 0950am on Thursday, June 30. If there is no tube, how do we best get to Heathrow? I assume other services are not affected. ----- [1] At the King William the Fourth Bar and Hotel, actually. A fantastic pub we discovered last year, with their own brewery next door, Brodie's Beers.. Recommended! -- jhk I would seriously think about getting a minicab, either all the way to Heathrow or to Paddington for the Heathrow Express. This would be about £35. If you do want to go by public transport, then it will have to be a bus, and it will have to be sometime between 4am and 5am. Buses get very crowded after that on tube strike days. The first stop on bus no. 55 is virtually opposite the King William The Fourth pub, outside Tescos, and the first bus departs at 4am, which will take you to Oxford Circus, from where you can take a bus or cab to Paddington. The N26 from outside the pub will take you to Liverpool Street, Aldwych and Trafalgar Square. There are also night buses from round the croner in Lea Bridge Road, on routes N55 (Oxford Circus) or N38 (Victoria). I am sure Comrade Crow is just limbering up for the Olympics. |
Strike contingency plan Walthamstow to Heathrow
On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 08:19:26 +0100, Roland Perry wrote:
It often helps to say which terminal (or which airline so we can look it up). Terminal 3. If there is no tube, how do we best get to Heathrow? I assume other services are not affecte d. That's a difficult journey even if everything's running. What time have you been told to be at Heathrow - 0650 recommended I'd have thought. Three hours before the flight? Latest check in is 45 minutes before the flight, according to the ticket (Scandinavian Arlines). I've always aimed for two hours. Try a 'national rail' train from Walthamstow Central to Liverpool Street [05:19 is the first], taxi to Paddington [5 miles], then Heathrow Express [06.25 should be possible]. I've been advised off-group by a frequent u.t.l poster that NXEA to Liverpool Street gets very busy during tube strikes, and that Paddington have been fairly hard to reach in previous strikes because the Circle / H&C lines across the top of the circle have not run. However, will The Chingford - Liverpool St service be too busy to travel with heavy luggage as early as 6am? If I punch in Walthamstow Central to paddington in the Journy Planner, it suggests Bus 23 from Liverpool St Station to Paddington Station [1], taking 47 mins. Is that a bad idea? Or book a minicab all the way, which should take less than an hour that time of day. How much would that cost? ----- [1] If i put in Walthamstow Central to Heathrow Terminals 1-3 instead, it says Bus 214 from Liverpool St to Mornington Crescent Station and then Bus 27 to Paddington. (Both Journeys starting at 6:04 from Walthamstow Central.) Strange. -- jhk |
Strike contingency plan Walthamstow to Heathrow
On Jun 9, 9:38*pm, Jarle H Knudsen wrote:
This year s London vacation is coming up, and what do you know? The RMT is threatening to strike when one of us is flying home from Heathrow. We are staying in Walthamstow, near Bakers Arms (Lea Bridge Road/Hoe Street/High Road Leyton intersection)[1]. The flight is scheduled for 0950am on Thursday, June 30. If there is no tube, how do we best get to Heathrow? I assume other services are not affected. Maybe OverGround train service from Blackhorse Road to Gospel Oak, then Overground train Service Gospel Oak to Richmond. Then train from Richmond to Feltham, from Feltham 285 bus for terminals 1,2,3, or 490 bus for terminal 5. If you want Terminal 4 get either bus and get of at Hatton Cross and get any Terminal 4 bus from there. All these services run frequently. JohnLon |
Strike contingency plan Walthamstow to Heathrow
On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 00:39:14 -0700 (PDT)
Paul wrote: I would seriously think about getting a minicab, either all the way to Heathrow or to Paddington for the Heathrow Express. This would be about =A335. Agreed. Public transport is a dead loss for getting to airports - it'll always let you down just when you don't want it to. I never use it to get to heathrow or gatwick anymore after too many close calls in the past. B2003 |
Strike contingency plan Walthamstow to Heathrow
In message , at 10:22:22 on
Fri, 10 Jun 2011, Jarle H Knudsen remarked: On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 08:19:26 +0100, Roland Perry wrote: It often helps to say which terminal (or which airline so we can look it up). Terminal 3. Thanks. If there is no tube, how do we best get to Heathrow? I assume other services are not affecte d. That's a difficult journey even if everything's running. What time have you been told to be at Heathrow - 0650 recommended I'd have thought. Three hours before the flight? Latest check in is 45 minutes before the flight, according to the ticket (Scandinavian Arlines). I've always aimed for two hours. Europe - 2hrs. At an airport like Heathrow, 45mins is extremely tight (and probably a figure they quote for all airports big and small). Try a 'national rail' train from Walthamstow Central to Liverpool Street [05:19 is the first], taxi to Paddington [5 miles], then Heathrow Express [06.25 should be possible]. I've been advised off-group by a frequent u.t.l poster that NXEA to Liverpool Street gets very busy during tube strikes, Maybe not so bad a 6am though. and that Paddington have been fairly hard to reach in previous strikes because the Circle / H&C lines across the top of the circle have not run. Hence the taxi (or if you allow enough time, some buses). However, will The Chingford - Liverpool St service be too busy to travel with heavy luggage as early as 6am? I very much doubt it will be busy that early. The trains don't even start running till 5.19am (at Walthamstow). If I punch in Walthamstow Central to paddington in the Journy Planner, it suggests Bus 23 from Liverpool St Station to Paddington Station [1], taking 47 mins. Is that a bad idea? Buses not always much fun with lots of luggage - but maybe you could test this out when you first get to London. Or book a minicab all the way, which should take less than an hour that time of day. How much would that cost? You have to ask around in Walthamstow or check online. £50-£60 I guess. Send the bill to the RMT! ----- [1] If i put in Walthamstow Central to Heathrow Terminals 1-3 instead, it says Bus 214 from Liverpool St to Mornington Crescent Station and then Bus 27 to Paddington. (Both Journeys starting at 6:04 from Walthamstow Central.) Strange. Journey planners are like that. They are picking the bus to get you their first, given your arrival time at the station. -- Roland Perry |
Strike contingency plan Walthamstow to Heathrow
In message
, at 01:36:21 on Fri, 10 Jun 2011, JohnLon remarked: Maybe OverGround train service from Blackhorse Road to Gospel Oak, then Overground train Service Gospel Oak to Richmond. Then train from Richmond to Feltham, from Feltham 285 bus for terminals 1,2,3, or 490 bus for terminal 5. Sounds great as a day out, but the OP's got a plane to catch!! -- Roland Perry |
Strike contingency plan Walthamstow to Heathrow
In message , Jarle H
Knudsen writes This year‚s London vacation is coming up, and what do you know? The RMT is threatening to strike when one of us is flying home from Heathrow. We are staying in Walthamstow, near Bakers Arms (Lea Bridge Road/Hoe Street/High Road Leyton intersection)[1]. The flight is scheduled for 0950am on Thursday, June 30. If there is no tube, how do we best get to Heathrow? I assume other services are not affected. Despite what everyone else has said, it is possible to book a licensed taxi (black cab) on a 'capped' fare direct to Heathrow. How many people are there? If there are 3 or more then the price of a taxi from Paddington to Heathrow is actually cheaper than taking Heathrow Express. I'm sue I could find a day driver t hat lives in that area to take you for a fixed fee if you want me to (I'd have to get them to tell me the rice first) What I would suggest is that you leave Walthamstow well before 0630 as there's bound to be a large amount of traffic. On major advantage is that taxis can use the bus lanes to get to the front of the queues quicker than minicabs or private vehicles. Let me know if you want me to get someone to help you. ----- [1] At the King William the Fourth Bar and Hotel, actually. A fantastic pub we discovered last year, with their own brewery next door, Brodie's Beers. Recommended! -- Mike Hughes A Taxi driver licensed for London and Brighton at home in Tarring, West Sussex, England Interested in American trains real and model? Look here http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikehughes2011/ |
Strike contingency plan Walthamstow to Heathrow
Despite what everyone else has said, it is possible to book a licensed
taxi (black cab) on a 'capped' fare direct to Heathrow. Yes indeed: I've used this (to/from E5) when there were several of us travelling at awkward times. But the OP did say "when one of us is flying home" so I thought the price might be a bit steep. -- Robin PM may be sent to rbw0{at}hotmail{dot}com |
Strike contingency plan Walthamstow to Heathrow
On Jun 10, 9:36*am, JohnLon wrote:
On Jun 9, 9:38*pm, Jarle H Knudsen wrote: This year s London vacation is coming up, and what do you know? The RMT is threatening to strike when one of us is flying home from Heathrow. We are staying in Walthamstow, near Bakers Arms (Lea Bridge Road/Hoe Street/High Road Leyton intersection)[1]. The flight is scheduled for 0950am on Thursday, June 30. If there is no tube, how do we best get to Heathrow? I assume other services are not affected. Maybe OverGround train service from Blackhorse Road to Gospel Oak, then Overground train Service Gospel Oak to Richmond. Then train from Richmond to Feltham, from Feltham 285 bus for terminals 1,2,3, or 490 bus for terminal 5. If you want Terminal 4 get either bus and get of at Hatton Cross and get any Terminal 4 bus from there. All these services run frequently. JohnLon Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha !!!! Have you ever tried getting on the GOBLIN or the Stratford - Richmond line when there is a tube strike on? It is either going to be a minicab, or a bus before 5am. |
Strike contingency plan Walthamstow to Heathrow
"Paul" wrote in message ... Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha !!!! Have you ever tried getting on the GOBLIN or the Stratford - Richmond line when there is a tube strike on? As it happens I have - and even posted a note about the experience to this newsgroup on 14/6/2009. It was a struggle to board a train heading for Clapham Jumction at Gospel Oak, and it would have been impossible further west. The NLL service has been improved significantly since then but I would still expect it to be very overcrowded on tube strike days. Martin |
Strike contingency plan Walthamstow to Heathrow
On Jun 10, 7:07*pm, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 01:36:21 -0700 (PDT), JohnLon wrote: Maybe OverGround train service from Blackhorse Road to Gospel Oak, then Overground train Service Gospel Oak to Richmond. Then train from Richmond to Feltham, from Feltham 285 bus for terminals 1,2,3, or 490 bus for terminal 5. If you want Terminal 4 get either bus and get of at Hatton Cross and get any Terminal 4 bus from there. All these services run frequently. While that is actually quite inventive it is not exactly quick. There are two other significant issues - the first train on the GOBLIN is not until about 0630 from Leyton / Walthamstow so probably too late. The other factor is that the Overground is already busy and becomes horrendously overcrowded and runs late during LU strikes. The GOBLIN trains are only 2 car DMUs so there is not a lot of flex. *The NLL / WLL has an enhanced timetable now but even so I would expect it to be *very* busy if there is a LU strike. If the traveller / OP wil have luggage then they will certainly not enjoy the long and steep stairs down and then up at Gospel Oak nor is Richmond particularly well set out for people encumbered with luggage. -- Paul C This is one of the problems with tube strikes. You can use the journey planner to find a route that doesn't involve the tube (along with thousands of other people) but the journey planner does not take account of the fact that other modes of transport will be very overcrowded. For example, the OP could probably get away with getting a bus to Walthamstow Central and getting on the 05:19 to Liverpool Street, but what is he going to do then? With no tube at Liverpool Street there will be a queue for any taxis and buses that are running. During the tube strikes of autumn last year I had to get from Walthamstow to Kings Cross. I ended up getting on the N73 at 04:25, and that was considerably busier than normal at Blackhorse Road. By the time it got to Seven Sisters there were no seats left, and when it got to Kings Cross at 5am people wanting to get on to go to Victoria were unable to board. So my suggestion for the OP to get on the 55 from opposite his hotel at about 4:00 or 4:30 still stands. |
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The most sensible way to arrive at Heathrow unstressed and in good time is to go by cab - hackney or minicab - and to go early. Far better to arrive early and spend time drinking coffee or whatever than to arrive late. |
Strike contingency plan Walthamstow to Heathrow
On Thu, 9 Jun 2011, Jarle H Knudsen wrote:
This year¢s London vacation is coming up, and what do you know? The RMT is threatening to strike when one of us is flying home from Heathrow. We are staying in Walthamstow, near Bakers Arms (Lea Bridge Road/Hoe Street/High Road Leyton intersection)[1]. The flight is scheduled for 0950am on Thursday, June 30. You could consider spending the last night at a hotel near Heathrow. That makes the tube strike on the 30th a non-issue, and enables a much more civilised morning - up at 0730, quick shower, hop on a bus into the airport, check in, leisurely breakfast, and away. None of this getting up at 0500 business. However, the strike starts at noon on the 29th, so there is a still some challenge in getting to the hotel. You could get a train from Paddington easily enough; perhaps you could come into town on the tube before noon, dump luggage somewhere (no idea where, though), spend the day in town, have dinner somewhere around Edgware Road, then head off to Paddington by bus, cab, foot, or Boris Bike to get the train. tom -- SOY! SOY! SOY! Soy makes you strong! Strength crushes enemies! SOY! |
Strike contingency plan Walthamstow to Heathrow
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18:02:11 on Sat, 11 Jun 2011, Tom Anderson remarked: dump luggage somewhere (no idea where, though) Most of the large termini have (fairly expensive) left luggage offices. Including Paddington, on platform 12. -- Roland Perry |
Strike contingency plan Walthamstow to Heathrow
On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 19:55:13 +0100, Roland Perry wrote:
Although the alternative suggestion of booking a cab to Paddington (for Heathrow Express) has some merit as well. What is the cheapest alternative, cab + HEx or cab all the way? -- jhk |
Strike contingency plan Walthamstow to Heathrow
In message , at 20:11:48 on
Sun, 12 Jun 2011, Jarle H Knudsen remarked: Although the alternative suggestion of booking a cab to Paddington (for Heathrow Express) has some merit as well. What is the cheapest alternative, cab + HEx or cab all the way? Given that the primary reason for HEx's existence is to be cheaper than a cab, and there's apparently only one person travelling, I suspect HEx! But this may only be true for black cabs rather than minicabs. If minicabs are going to be difficult because of the tube strike, I'm coming round to the idea of getting buses to Paddington as early as possible. (Then HEx). -- Roland Perry |
Strike contingency plan Walthamstow to Heathrow
If minicabs are going to be difficult because of the tube strike, I'm coming round to the idea of getting buses to Paddington as early as possible. (Then HEx). I agree - with the possible gloss that I'd possible make that "as late as possible" - ie if possible a. cancel the room in King William for the night of the 29th; b. spend the money saved on the room in the bar, staying until as late as possible (which may be very late if there are others in the party still resident?); c. stroll out to the 55 when the rest of the party insist in calling it a night; d. reckon on getting to Heathrow absurdly early - but also in good time to drink lots of coffee to counter the effects of (b). Of course it may not be easy to judge how much beer at (b) is enough to cater for the trip at (c) but not excessive (bearing in mind there are no toilets on London buses!) Perhaps a rehearsal or two of stage (b) at least would be advisable in the days running up to 29 June? PS Thanks to the OP for pointing me to the King William. It is more than a stroll away but it comes recommended by neighbours too so I'm looking forward to trying it over coming weeks. -- Robin PM may be sent to rbw0{at}hotmail{dot}com |
Strike contingency plan Walthamstow to Heathrow
On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 21:29:01 +0100, Robin wrote:
Perhaps a rehearsal or two of stage (b) at least would be advisable in the days running up to 29 June? Not to worry. There will be plenty of rehearsing. PS Thanks to the OP for pointing me to the King William. It is more than a stroll away but it comes recommended by neighbours too so I'm looking forward to trying it over coming weeks. Say hello if you spot two Norwegians between 21. and 30. June :) -- jhk |
Strike contingency plan Walthamstow to Heathrow
On 2011\06\12 19:11, Jarle H Knudsen wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 19:55:13 +0100, Roland Perry wrote: Although the alternative suggestion of booking a cab to Paddington (for Heathrow Express) has some merit as well. What is the cheapest alternative, cab + HEx or cab all the way? Since Central London is where all the tubes go when they're not on strike, there will be extraordinary traffic jams in Central London and on all routes into it. You would be much better off getting a taxi or minicab to Heathrow or to Ealing (for the Heathrow Connect) and avoiding Central London completely. Note that a minicab to Heathrow might be cheaper than a minicab to Ealing or Paddington, despite being further, because minicabs try to be competitive on journeys to and from airports but make no attempt to be competitive on suburb to suburb, and are often the same as or dearer than taxis on those runs. |
Strike contingency plan Walthamstow to Heathrow
On Sun, 12 Jun 2011, Robin wrote:
If minicabs are going to be difficult because of the tube strike, I'm coming round to the idea of getting buses to Paddington as early as possible. (Then HEx). I agree - with the possible gloss that I'd possible make that "as late as possible" - ie if possible a. cancel the room in King William for the night of the 29th; b. spend the money saved on the room in the bar, staying until as late as possible (which may be very late if there are others in the party still resident?); c. stroll out to the 55 when the rest of the party insist in calling it a night; d. reckon on getting to Heathrow absurdly early - but also in good time to drink lots of coffee to counter the effects of (b). Splendid! tom -- shouting drunkenly about 6502 assembler at parties |
Strike contingency plan Walthamstow to Heathrow
On Jun 9, 9:38*pm, Jarle H Knudsen wrote:
This year¢s London vacation is coming up, and what do you know? The RMT is threatening to strike when one of us is flying home from Heathrow. We are staying in Walthamstow, near Bakers Arms (Lea Bridge Road/Hoe Street/High Road Leyton intersection)[1]. The flight is scheduled for 0950am on Thursday, June 30. If there is no tube, how do we best get to Heathrow? I assume other services are not affected. Depends if London Overground services are affected. Otherwise you could go Leyton Midland Road (not far from the Baker's Arms) --- Gospel Oak, across the platform and over the other side to the Richmond platforms, Gospel Oak to Richmond, then bus 490 to Heathrow |
Strike contingency plan Walthamstow to Heathrow
Agreed. Public transport is a dead loss for getting to airports - it'll
always let you down just when you don't want it to. I never use it to get to heathrow or gatwick anymore after too many close calls in the past. Actually, I've had more traumas with taxis stuck on approach roads and traffic jams than I've ever had with public transport. |
Strike contingency plan Walthamstow to Heathrow
In message
, Ric Euteneuer writes Depends if London Overground services are affected. Otherwise you could go Leyton Midland Road (not far from the Baker's Arms) --- Gospel Oak, across the platform and over the other side to the Richmond platforms, Gospel Oak to Richmond, then bus 490 to Heathrow He'd arrive far too late for a 7.40am check-in. -- Paul Terry |
Strike contingency plan Walthamstow to Heathrow
If you are really stuck getting to Heathrow, I live near Heathrow on
the 285 bus route, which goes to T3 and is a 24 hour bus service. If you find no other solution you are welcome to stay in spare room overnight and get the 285 bus in the morning if it helps you out. It's about 20-25 minutes on the bus from my location to T3. Send me a PM if you want to take up the offer. Of the other suggestions made so far I think a minicab to Ealing and then train from there sounds quite good. John |
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