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On 25/07/2011 13:55, Martin L wrote:
On Jul 23, 7:02 pm, Chris wrote: Walked along the prom from Brighton last week, and ended up at Fishersgate. From the platforms, it is possible to see the neighbouring stations of Southwick and Portslade. As in, you can see the outlines of the platforms and watch trains approach, call at and leave both stations reasonably clearly. Whilst my vision was excellent as a teenager, it is little better than average now. There are quite a few cases where one neighbouring station is visible - indeed, I can see the buffer stops at Seaford from Bishopstone. However, away from the Underground and light rail/tram systems, I can't off hand think of another example where two neighbouring stations are visible. So, any other examples? I've a dim memory of waiting for a train a long time ago at a station, probably in north London, and realising that I could see all the way through a tunnel to the next station. I'm not 100% certain that I could actually see the platforms - it might just be that I could see a train stopped in the next station. I'm thinking that it was probably the tunnel between Hampstead Heath and Finchley Road& Froghal on the North London Line. If this is the case, might you also be able to see West Hampstead from Finchley Road& Frognal? Martin L If we're talking about LU, then what about Oxford Circus to Tottenham Court Road, eastbound? |
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On Jul 26, 11:18*pm, "
wrote: On 25/07/2011 13:55, Martin L wrote: On Jul 23, 7:02 pm, Chris *wrote: Walked along the prom from Brighton last week, and ended up at Fishersgate. *From the platforms, it is possible to see the neighbouring stations of Southwick and Portslade. As in, you can see the outlines of the platforms and watch trains approach, call at and leave both stations reasonably clearly. Whilst my vision was excellent as a teenager, it is little better than average now. There are quite a few cases where one neighbouring station is visible - indeed, I can see the buffer stops at Seaford from Bishopstone. However, away from the Underground and light rail/tram systems, I can't off hand think of another example where two neighbouring stations are visible. So, any other examples? I've a dim memory of waiting for a train a long time ago at a station, probably in north London, and realising that I could see all the way through a tunnel to the next station. I'm not 100% certain that I could actually see the platforms - it might just be that I could see a train stopped in the next station. I'm thinking that it was probably the tunnel between Hampstead Heath and Finchley Road& *Froghal on the North London Line. If this is the case, might you also be able to see West Hampstead from Finchley Road& *Frognal? Martin L If we're talking about LU, then what about Oxford Circus to Tottenham Court Road, eastbound? No, the Central Rises as it enters stations, then descends leaving them. It was built this way in order to aid acceleration and braking. The stations, in effect, are at the top of "underground hills" |
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On Jul 26, 11:18*pm, "
wrote: On 25/07/2011 13:55, Martin L wrote: On Jul 23, 7:02 pm, Chris *wrote: Walked along the prom from Brighton last week, and ended up at Fishersgate. *From the platforms, it is possible to see the neighbouring stations of Southwick and Portslade. As in, you can see the outlines of the platforms and watch trains approach, call at and leave both stations reasonably clearly. Whilst my vision was excellent as a teenager, it is little better than average now. There are quite a few cases where one neighbouring station is visible - indeed, I can see the buffer stops at Seaford from Bishopstone. However, away from the Underground and light rail/tram systems, I can't off hand think of another example where two neighbouring stations are visible. So, any other examples? I've a dim memory of waiting for a train a long time ago at a station, probably in north London, and realising that I could see all the way through a tunnel to the next station. I'm not 100% certain that I could actually see the platforms - it might just be that I could see a train stopped in the next station. I'm thinking that it was probably the tunnel between Hampstead Heath and Finchley Road& *Froghal on the North London Line. If this is the case, might you also be able to see West Hampstead from Finchley Road& *Frognal? Martin L If we're talking about LU, I wasn't - I was referring to the North London Line, which isn't part of the Underground - but is now part of London Overground. Speaking of which, as it's no longer part of LU can we now include the East London Line in this discussion, and if so does it have any possibilties? Wapping, Rotherhithe, Canada Water and Surrey Quays are all pretty close but I don't know how straight or level the tunnels are. Martin L |
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On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 04:36:48 -0700 (PDT)
1506 wrote: If we're talking about LU, then what about Oxford Circus to Tottenham Court Road, eastbound? No, the Central Rises as it enters stations, then descends leaving them. It was built this way in order to aid acceleration and braking. The stations, in effect, are at the top of "underground hills" Why isn't this done any more - eg jubilee, victoria lines? It seems to be a simple way to save energy. B2003 |
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Although there is a gradient on the Central, you can see Holborn from
Chancery Lane (EB) Albeit by ducking slightly... wrote in message ... On 25/07/2011 13:55, Martin L wrote: On Jul 23, 7:02 pm, Chris wrote: Walked along the prom from Brighton last week, and ended up at Fishersgate. From the platforms, it is possible to see the neighbouring stations of Southwick and Portslade. As in, you can see the outlines of the platforms and watch trains approach, call at and leave both stations reasonably clearly. Whilst my vision was excellent as a teenager, it is little better than average now. There are quite a few cases where one neighbouring station is visible - indeed, I can see the buffer stops at Seaford from Bishopstone. However, away from the Underground and light rail/tram systems, I can't off hand think of another example where two neighbouring stations are visible. So, any other examples? I've a dim memory of waiting for a train a long time ago at a station, probably in north London, and realising that I could see all the way through a tunnel to the next station. I'm not 100% certain that I could actually see the platforms - it might just be that I could see a train stopped in the next station. I'm thinking that it was probably the tunnel between Hampstead Heath and Finchley Road& Froghal on the North London Line. If this is the case, might you also be able to see West Hampstead from Finchley Road& Frognal? Martin L If we're talking about LU, then what about Oxford Circus to Tottenham Court Road, eastbound? |
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none "" wrote: On 27/07/11 14:04, d wrote: On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 04:36:48 -0700 (PDT) wrote: No, the Central Rises as it enters stations, then descends leaving them. It was built this way in order to aid acceleration and braking. The stations, in effect, are at the top of "underground hills" Why isn't this done any more - eg jubilee, victoria lines? It seems to be a simple way to save energy. Unfortunately the modern way is to get 'new blood' which means that previous good practice, lessons learnt, or even basic skills are forgotten. I think you'll find that these principles are adhered to, even on new built lines, where it is possible. Trouble is, these days there are more underground obstructions - not least other underground railways - and this means that in order to get from A to B, you have to thread your way past foundations for tall buildings, and other underground railways. This makes it harder to achieve the "underground hill" effect - although I note that if the diagram on http://www.crossrail.co.uk/route/stations/ is correct, almost all Crossrail stations will be on a hump. Cheers, -- Mike Bristow |
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On Jul 27, 2:04*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 04:36:48 -0700 (PDT) 1506 wrote: If we're talking about LU, then what about Oxford Circus to Tottenham Court Road, eastbound? No, the Central Rises as it enters stations, then descends leaving them. *It was built this way in order to aid acceleration and braking. *The stations, in effect, are at the top of "underground hills" Why isn't this done any more - eg jubilee, victoria lines? It seems to be a simple way to save energy. My memory of using the Victoria Line regularly (admittedly quite a long time ago) is that most stations on the line do conform to this system, but that there are exceptions - in particular where the constraints of providing cross-platform interchange and/or crossing over/under other lines made it tricky. Martin L |
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On 27/07/2011 17:16, Martin L wrote:
On Jul 27, 2:04 pm, wrote: On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 04:36:48 -0700 (PDT) wrote: If we're talking about LU, then what about Oxford Circus to Tottenham Court Road, eastbound? No, the Central Rises as it enters stations, then descends leaving them. It was built this way in order to aid acceleration and braking. The stations, in effect, are at the top of "underground hills" Why isn't this done any more - eg jubilee, victoria lines? It seems to be a simple way to save energy. My memory of using the Victoria Line regularly (admittedly quite a long time ago) is that most stations on the line do conform to this system, but that there are exceptions - in particular where the constraints of providing cross-platform interchange and/or crossing over/under other lines made it tricky. Martin L Except on the southbound track on the Victoria line at KXSP, where the train comes off a great big hill just before it enters the station. The same goes for the Piccadilly. |
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On 27/07/2011 13:33, Martin L wrote:
On Jul 26, 11:18 pm, wrote: On 25/07/2011 13:55, Martin L wrote: On Jul 23, 7:02 pm, Chris wrote: Walked along the prom from Brighton last week, and ended up at Fishersgate. From the platforms, it is possible to see the neighbouring stations of Southwick and Portslade. As in, you can see the outlines of the platforms and watch trains approach, call at and leave both stations reasonably clearly. Whilst my vision was excellent as a teenager, it is little better than average now. There are quite a few cases where one neighbouring station is visible - indeed, I can see the buffer stops at Seaford from Bishopstone. However, away from the Underground and light rail/tram systems, I can't off hand think of another example where two neighbouring stations are visible. So, any other examples? I've a dim memory of waiting for a train a long time ago at a station, probably in north London, and realising that I could see all the way through a tunnel to the next station. I'm not 100% certain that I could actually see the platforms - it might just be that I could see a train stopped in the next station. I'm thinking that it was probably the tunnel between Hampstead Heath and Finchley Road& Froghal on the North London Line. If this is the case, might you also be able to see West Hampstead from Finchley Road& Frognal? Martin L If we're talking about LU, I wasn't - I was referring to the North London Line, which isn't part of the Underground - but is now part of London Overground. Speaking of which, as it's no longer part of LU can we now include the East London Line in this discussion, and if so does it have any possibilties? Wapping, Rotherhithe, Canada Water and Surrey Quays are all pretty close but I don't know how straight or level the tunnels are. Martin L I don't see why not. The group is uk.transport.london, after all, and not just about LUL. |
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" wrote in message ... Although there is a gradient on the Central, you can see Holborn from Chancery Lane (EB) Albeit by ducking slightly... wrote in message ... On 25/07/2011 13:55, Martin L wrote: On Jul 23, 7:02 pm, Chris wrote: Walked along the prom from Brighton last week, and ended up at Fishersgate. From the platforms, it is possible to see the neighbouring stations of Southwick and Portslade. As in, you can see the outlines of the platforms and watch trains approach, call at and leave both stations reasonably clearly. Whilst my vision was excellent as a teenager, it is little better than average now. There are quite a few cases where one neighbouring station is visible - indeed, I can see the buffer stops at Seaford from Bishopstone. However, away from the Underground and light rail/tram systems, I can't off hand think of another example where two neighbouring stations are visible. So, any other examples? I've a dim memory of waiting for a train a long time ago at a station, probably in north London, and realising that I could see all the way through a tunnel to the next station. I'm not 100% certain that I could actually see the platforms - it might just be that I could see a train stopped in the next station. I'm thinking that it was probably the tunnel between Hampstead Heath and Finchley Road& Froghal on the North London Line. If this is the case, might you also be able to see West Hampstead from Finchley Road& Frognal? Martin L If we're talking about LU, then what about Oxford Circus to Tottenham Court Road, eastbound? Turnham Green to Stamford Brook, District Line You can see Barnes Bridge from Chiswick on the Hounslow loop but it's the bridge not the station! |
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On 27/07/2011 14:33, none wrote:
On 27/07/11 14:04, d wrote: On Wed, 27 Jul 2011 04:36:48 -0700 (PDT) wrote: If we're talking about LU, then what about Oxford Circus to Tottenham Court Road, eastbound? No, the Central Rises as it enters stations, then descends leaving them. It was built this way in order to aid acceleration and braking. The stations, in effect, are at the top of "underground hills" Why isn't this done any more - eg jubilee, victoria lines? It seems to be a simple way to save energy. B2003 Unfortunately the modern way is to get 'new blood' which means that previous good practice, lessons learnt, or even basic skills are forgotten. I think there might a good reason why the Jubilee Line was built by different people to the Central Line. -- Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK |
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In message , Charles Ellson
writes Are there any other places on LUL, or even on NR within London, where two stations are easily visible from other? On National Rail, you can see Mortlake station from the platforms at North Sheen and, in the opposite direction, you can also just about see Richmond from North Sheen. -- Paul Terry |
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On Jul 27, 9:27*pm, "
wrote: On 27/07/2011 14:53, wrote: Although there is a gradient on the Central, you can see Holborn from Chancery Lane (EB) Albeit by ducking slightly... wrote in ... On 25/07/2011 13:55, Martin L wrote: On Jul 23, 7:02 pm, Chris wrote: Walked along the prom from Brighton last week, and ended up at Fishersgate. From the platforms, it is possible to see the neighbouring stations of Southwick and Portslade. As in, you can see the outlines of the platforms and watch trains approach, call at and leave both stations reasonably clearly. Whilst my vision was excellent as a teenager, it is little better than average now. There are quite a few cases where one neighbouring station is visible - indeed, I can see the buffer stops at Seaford from Bishopstone. However, away from the Underground and light rail/tram systems, I can't off hand think of another example where two neighbouring stations are visible. So, any other examples? I've a dim memory of waiting for a train a long time ago at a station, probably in north London, and realising that I could see all the way through a tunnel to the next station. I'm not 100% certain that I could actually see the platforms - it might just be that I could see a train stopped in the next station. I'm thinking that it was probably the tunnel between Hampstead Heath and Finchley Road& Froghal on the North London Line. If this is the case, might you also be able to see West Hampstead from Finchley Road& Frognal? Martin L If we're talking about LU, then what about Oxford Circus to Tottenham Court Road, eastbound? That's what I said. I mean, you can at least see a waiting train's headlights at Oxford Circus whilst waiting at the west end of an esatbound platform at TCR. Are there any other places on LUL, or even on NR within London, where two stations are easily visible from other? Between Turnham Graeen and Ravenscourt Park several stations are visible from each other. |
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On Jul 28, 3:36*pm, Paul Terry wrote:
In message , Charles Ellson writes Are there any other places on LUL, or even on NR within London, where two stations are easily visible from other? On National Rail, you can see Mortlake station from the platforms at North Sheen and, in the opposite direction, you can also just about see Richmond from North Sheen. -- Paul Terry Although not in London, another example is Caldicot and Severn Tunnel Junction, which are clearly visible from each other. Other examples that I don't think have been mentioned a Royal Oak and Paddington (is this cheating?), South Greenford and Castle Bar Park, Denham and Denham Golf Club, Hanwell and West Ealing, Highbury and Islington and Canonbury and (IIRC) Harrow and Wealdstone and Headstone Lane. Eltham Well Hall and Eltham Park was another pair. |
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"1506" wrote in message
Are there any other places on LUL, or even on NR within London, where two stations are easily visible from other? Between Turnham Graeen and Ravenscourt Park several stations are visible from each other. And Turnham Green is just about visible from Chiswick Park. |
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On 2011\08\01 15:25, Recliner wrote:
wrote in message Are there any other places on LUL, or even on NR within London, where two stations are easily visible from other? Between Turnham Graeen and Ravenscourt Park several stations are visible from each other. And Turnham Green is just about visible from Chiswick Park. Which makes it ironic that some of the discussion about stopping Picc trains at Turnham Green has revolved around the expense of resignalling. |
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wrote in message ... On 25/07/2011 13:55, Martin L wrote: On Jul 23, 7:02 pm, Chris wrote: Walked along the prom from Brighton last week, and ended up at Fishersgate. From the platforms, it is possible to see the neighbouring stations of Southwick and Portslade. As in, you can see the outlines of the platforms and watch trains approach, call at and leave both stations reasonably clearly. Whilst my vision was excellent as a teenager, it is little better than average now. There are quite a few cases where one neighbouring station is visible - indeed, I can see the buffer stops at Seaford from Bishopstone. However, away from the Underground and light rail/tram systems, I can't off hand think of another example where two neighbouring stations are visible. So, any other examples? I've a dim memory of waiting for a train a long time ago at a station, probably in north London, and realising that I could see all the way through a tunnel to the next station. I'm not 100% certain that I could actually see the platforms - it might just be that I could see a train stopped in the next station. I'm thinking that it was probably the tunnel between Hampstead Heath and Finchley Road& Froghal on the North London Line. Yes. It's dead straight and you can see right through from the eastbound platforms at both FR&F and HH. If this is the case, might you also be able to see West Hampstead from Finchley Road& Frognal? No. The track curves a bit too much. Jim Hawkins |
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If this is the case, might you also be able to see West Hampstead from Finchley Road& *Frognal? Definitely not. -- Nick |
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On 29/08/2011 01:35, Robin9 wrote:
;121648 Wrote: Are there any other places on LUL, or even on NR within London, where two stations are easily visible from other? From the east-bound platform at Mile End Station, Bow Road Station is clearly visible. One can also see Monument from Cannon Street, eastbound. |
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On Aug 29, 11:58*am, "
wrote: On 29/08/2011 01:35, Robin9 wrote: ;121648 Wrote: Are there any other places on LUL, or even on NR within London, where two stations are easily visible from other? *From the east-bound platform at Mile End Station, Bow Road Station is clearly visible. One can also see Monument from Cannon Street, eastbound. You can see Canada Water from Rotherhithe, Mile End from Bow Road, Fairlop from Hainault, Turnham Green from Stamford Brook, Finchley Road & Frognal from Hampstead Heath, Lower Sydenham from New Beckenham (just!), and Grange Park from Winchmore Hill (just!). And there must be millions of examples on the DLR, given the very short spacing, especially around Canary Wharf. |
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