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Do out-of-London bus passes work on London bus touch-pads?
Since I'm over 60 and living in England outside London I have an over-60
bus pass, which our local council persists in calling a Smart Card. It does indeed contains an RFID chip which is supposed to be ITSO-compliant. I was told my an apparent expert on my local Council that it ought to work on the touch-pads on London buses, which are designed to cope with Oyster cards and Freedom Passes and maybe more. I just tried mine yesterday on a number 9 bus but it did not work (of course I was able to board as soon as I showed the driver the front of the card). Does anyone else from outside the London Freedom Pass area but who holds a Bus Pass know if it works on buses in London (or anywhere else, I've had problems with mine in Oxford too)? -- Clive Page |
Do out-of-London bus passes work on London bus touch-pads?
"Clive Page" wrote in message
... Since I'm over 60 and living in England outside London I have an over-60 bus pass, which our local council persists in calling a Smart Card. It does indeed contains an RFID chip which is supposed to be ITSO-compliant. It will be ITSO compliant - the problem is that the Oyster system, and therefore the readers on the buses aren't yet - although ITSO compatibility was supposedly being trialled and then rolled out generally at some stage. OTOH I believe London Freedom passes were replaced and are both Oyster and ITSO compliant so they can be used elsewhere in England where the bus readers are already ITSO standard... Paul S |
Do out-of-London bus passes work on London bus touch-pads?
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Sat, 20 Aug 2011, Paul Scott remarked: OTOH I believe London Freedom passes were replaced and are both Oyster and ITSO compliant so they can be used elsewhere in England where if? the bus readers are already ITSO standard... This ITSO newsletter makes it sound very much like work in progress: http://www.itsonews.com/content/news...uly%202011.pdf For example, it sounds like Leicester is already ITSO compliant, whereas Nottingham has just received some funding to convert to an ITSO scheme (a symptom of being an early adopter of smart cards over ten years ago, I suspect). -- Roland Perry |
Do out-of-London bus passes work on London bus touch-pads?
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Do out-of-London bus passes work on London bus touch-pads?
"Roland Perry" wrote in message
... In message , at 12:47:00 on Sat, 20 Aug 2011, Paul Scott remarked: OTOH I believe London Freedom passes were replaced and are both Oyster and ITSO compliant so they can be used elsewhere in England where if? the bus readers are already ITSO standard... Yes, that's what I meant - I should have used 'wherever' the bus readers are already ITSO... Paul |
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Do out-of-London bus passes work on London bus touch-pads?
On 20/08/2011 14:50, Paul Scott wrote:
"Roland Perry" wrote in message ... In message , at 12:47:00 on Sat, 20 Aug 2011, Paul Scott remarked: OTOH I believe London Freedom passes were replaced and are both Oyster and ITSO compliant so they can be used elsewhere in England where if? the bus readers are already ITSO standard... Yes, that's what I meant - I should have used 'wherever' the bus readers are already ITSO... Paul IIRC, Amsterdam also uses a smartcard, at least for the area that it covers. But can that smartcards be used throughout the Netherlands, seeing that the entire country is zoned? BTW, when will it be possible to use Oystercards to exit and enter at Brighton? |
Do out-of-London bus passes work on London bus touch-pads?
On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 23:31:44 +0100, "
wrote: IIRC, Amsterdam also uses a smartcard, at least for the area that it covers. But can that smartcards be used throughout the Netherlands, seeing that the entire country is zoned? Yes, or at least that's the plan. But it is kilometric plus a base cost (waived on changing) with no capping - far simpler than Oyster. Neil -- Neil Williams, Milton Keynes, UK |
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Do out-of-London bus passes work on London bus touch-pads?
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... BTW, when will it be possible to use Oystercards to exit and enter at Brighton? Won't happen. The DfT's policy is that ITSO will be the national format, and as Paul Corfield keeps pointing out, the current effort is going towards making the Oyster system ITSO compliant. Paul S |
Do out-of-London bus passes work on London bus touch-pads?
In the mirror image of the OPs question, my London Freedom pass worked
perfectly well on the card readers on Brighton buses last Saturday. Not sure how all the reconciliation between LAs works. London has a flat fare scheme, so each journey can be costed, but I doubt if that's true for Brighton. Tunbridge Wells to Brighton must cost more than, say, Brighton to Rottingdean. Peter |
Do out-of-London bus passes work on London bus touch-pads?
"peter" wrote in message
... In the mirror image of the OPs question, my London Freedom pass worked perfectly well on the card readers on Brighton buses last Saturday. Not sure how all the reconciliation between LAs works. I don't think there is any reconciliation (yet), as far as previous discussions have determined. The presumption is that for a return journey between areas one local authority will be hit for the agreed flat fare for each direction. Hence there are supposed to be significant problems for local authorities in popular seaside towns which just have to cope with however many bus pass wielding visitors turn up from other districts. Paul S |
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Do out-of-London bus passes work on London bus touch-pads?
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 12:32:30PM +0100, Clive Page wrote:
Does anyone else from outside the London Freedom Pass area but who holds a Bus Pass know if it works on buses in London (or anywhere else, I've had problems with mine in Oxford too)? Yes, they work. They work by you showing them to the driver or ticket inspector. You don't need to touch them on the Oyster pads, because they're yet another of the eleventy squillion special cases that have piled up around Oyster. -- David Cantrell | Bourgeois reactionary pig Safety tip: never strap firearms to a hamster |
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Do out-of-London bus passes work on London bus touch-pads?
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, at 01:08:47 on Mon, 22 Aug 2011, peter remarked: In the mirror image of the OPs question, my London Freedom pass worked perfectly well on the card readers on Brighton buses last Saturday. Not sure how all the reconciliation between LAs works. Is there a reconciliation? I thought the LA where each (single) journey started paid all that cost. Hence claims that it's "unfair" for LAs with tourist/shopping attractions who have to pay to get all their OAP visitors/customers back home. -- Roland Perry |
Do out-of-London bus passes work on London bus touch-pads?
On 22/08/2011 09:08, peter wrote:
In the mirror image of the OPs question, my London Freedom pass worked perfectly well on the card readers on Brighton buses last Saturday. Not sure how all the reconciliation between LAs works. London has a flat fare scheme, so each journey can be costed, but I doubt if that's true for Brighton. Tunbridge Wells to Brighton must cost more than, say, Brighton to Rottingdean. I wondered about that myself. The standard way of using Oyster on a London bus is just to touch in, but outside London most bus fares depend on the distance. At present you have to tell the driver your destination, and he gives you a ticket for a given fare. If you have a bus pass, the ticket is priced at zero to you, but the system knows how much to charge the local Council. But if you just touch in at the start of the journey, the system has no knowledge of how far you are going. So how does this work in other places: do you have to touch in AND touch out? -- Clive Page |
Do out-of-London bus passes work on London bus touch-pads?
On 22/08/2011 11:31, David Cantrell wrote:
Yes, they work. They work by you showing them to the driver or ticket inspector. You don't need to touch them on the Oyster pads, because they're yet another of the eleventy squillion special cases that have piled up around Oyster. Yes, but the other week I used my non-Oxford bus pass on a bus in Oxford. The driver motioned to me to touch it on the touch pad, and was very surprised when it did not work. He then played about with his machine for a bit and eventually issued me with a zero-cost ticket. But he told me that nearly all bus passes worked his machine, and not just those issued in Oxford City itself (this was a park-and-ride bus, mostly used by those not living in Oxford itself). So why didn't it work? My Council claims its recently-issued cards are ITSO-compatible, and has checked my pass and told me that it is in working order (it is certainly capable of interfering with an Oyster card if it's nearby when I touch that in/out, which suggests its RFID-works are working). I'm baffled. I guess that technology this advanced handled by local council officials and bus companies is bound to end up a bit of a mess. -- Clive Page |
Do out-of-London bus passes work on London bus touch-pads?
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Do out-of-London bus passes work on London bus touch-pads?
On Aug 23, 12:12*am, Clive Page wrote:
I wondered about that myself. *The standard way of using Oyster on a London bus is just to touch in, but outside London most bus fares depend on the distance. *At present you have to tell the driver your destination, and he gives you a ticket for a given fare. *If you have a bus pass, the ticket is priced at zero to you, but the system knows how much to charge the local Council. * But if you just touch in at the start of the journey, the system has no knowledge of how far you are going. * So how does this work in other places: do you have to touch in AND touch out? Lots of different ways. Holland and Singapo On touching in you are charged maximum fare to your card. You touch out on exit (by the middle doors) and this refunds back to where you actually got off. Vevey, Switzerland: There is a mini "ticket vending machine" by the driver and at other doors (entry is by all doors with a Penalty Fares system in operation instead of drivers checking), and you select on that using a touchscreen your destination zone before touching your card. Milton Keynes old contact-based system (passes only, but it did have an unused stored-value feature which had it been used would have worked the same way): insert card, state destination, ticket is issued in the same way as a cash ticket by driver but debiting card, card returned. Neil |
Do out-of-London bus passes work on London bus touch-pads?
"Clive Page" wrote: On 22/08/2011 11:31, David Cantrell wrote: Yes, they work. They work by you showing them to the driver or ticket inspector. You don't need to touch them on the Oyster pads, because they're yet another of the eleventy squillion special cases that have piled up around Oyster. Yes, but the other week I used my non-Oxford bus pass on a bus in Oxford. The driver motioned to me to touch it on the touch pad, and was very surprised when it did not work. He then played about with his machine for a bit and eventually issued me with a zero-cost ticket. But he told me that nearly all bus passes worked his machine, and not just those issued in Oxford City itself (this was a park-and-ride bus, mostly used by those not living in Oxford itself). So why didn't it work? My Council claims its recently-issued cards are ITSO-compatible, and has checked my pass and told me that it is in working order (it is certainly capable of interfering with an Oyster card if it's nearby when I touch that in/out, which suggests its RFID-works are working). I'm baffled. I guess that technology this advanced handled by local council officials and bus companies is bound to end up a bit of a mess. I'm guessing you haven't yet had to touch-in/ validate using your ITSO pass on any other buses elsewhere? |
Do out-of-London bus passes work on London bus touch-pads?
On 24/08/2011 13:37, Mizter T wrote:
I'm guessing you haven't yet had to touch-in/ validate using your ITSO pass on any other buses elsewhere? No not yet. Indeed the simplest thing seems to be to always just show it to the bus driver: always works in my experience. But I don't use a bus pass all that often, which is why I wondered if anyone else here had more experience of them. Actually, it's getting to be the same with rail tickets: such a high proportion of them don't work barriers that the fastest way through is just to seek out the manned barrier and get it visually inspected. -- Clive Page |
Do out-of-London bus passes work on London bus touch-pads?
People seem to be confusing two different things:
(a) ENCTS cards (bus passes) which should in due course be accepted by ITSO compliant bus touch pads 'everywhere' - there is no cash reconciliation, the cost is reimbursed by the local authority in which the journey starts, and (b) prepayment smart cards (Oyster, Key and other operators' equivalents) which are obviously linked to the individual operators' charging schemes and are specific to particular areas and operators' services and won't (shouldn't) work elsewhere - the exception is Oxford, where there is now some inter-operability between Go-Ahead and Stagecoach services within the urban area. "Clive Page" wrote in message ... On 24/08/2011 13:37, Mizter T wrote: I'm guessing you haven't yet had to touch-in/ validate using your ITSO pass on any other buses elsewhere? No not yet. Indeed the simplest thing seems to be to always just show it to the bus driver: always works in my experience. But I don't use a bus pass all that often, which is why I wondered if anyone else here had more experience of them. Actually, it's getting to be the same with rail tickets: such a high proportion of them don't work barriers that the fastest way through is just to seek out the manned barrier and get it visually inspected. -- Clive Page |
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