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Travelled from Harrow and Wealdstone to Hackney via Willesden Jn onoyster and was charged a zone 1-6 fare
I travelled last weekend from Harrow and Wealdstone to Hackney Central via zone 2 changing at Willesden Jn and I was astonished to find that they had charged me £2.70 for it. At Willesden Jn there are no oyster validator machines on the southbound platform on the NR/ tube line. I dont understand why I have been overcharged...
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Travelled from Harrow and Wealdstone to Hackney via Willesden Jnon oyster and was charged a zone 1-6 fare
On Aug 24, 12:20*am, yameste wrote: I travelled last weekend from Harrow and Wealdstone to Hackney Central via zone 2 changing at Willesden Jn and I was astonished to find that they had charged me £2.70 for it. At Willesden Jn there are no oyster validator machines on the southbound platform on the NR/ tube line. I dont understand why I have been overcharged... The 'default' fare for Harrow & Wealdstone to Hackney Central is via zone 1 - this can be seen by checking the TfL single fare finder he http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/tickets/fa...inder/current/ To benefit from the cheaper non-zone 1 fare, you need to touch on a pink Oyster route validator at Willesden Junction - if you click on "Alternate fares" on the single fare finder then you'll see this screen which explains this: http://preview.tinyurl.com/3mbxxq5 At Willesden Junction the pink Oyster route validators are actually located at the entrances to the high-level North London Line platforms - I'm pretty sure that one has to pass by them when going from the low- level platforms (DC line/ Bakerloo) to the high-level platforms, regardless of whether one goes the old way or the new way. |
Travelled from Harrow and Wealdstone to Hackney via Willesden Jn
When you see its by the electric lines do you mean the DC lines. I was walked from the first carriage of a southbound DC line train to the NLL high level and I couldnt see one.
A few months ago I do remember seeing an oyster validator on the northbound platform. Logically the oyster validator should be before you enter the stairs frmo the DC lines to the NLL. This makes it easier for everyone but I strongly suspect that they sited these validators in suspicous locations because they want to chop (eat) the money so that they can make lots of money ! |
Travelled from Harrow and Wealdstone to Hackney via Willesden Jn
On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 09:25:56 +0100, yameste
wrote: When you see its by the electric lines do you mean the DC lines. I was walked from the first carriage of a southbound DC line train to the NLL high level and I couldnt see one. A few months ago I do remember seeing an oyster validator on the northbound platform. Logically the oyster validator should be before you enter the stairs frmo the DC lines to the NLL. This makes it easier for everyone but I strongly suspect that they sited these validators in suspicous locations because they want to chop (eat) the money so that they can make lots of money ! There are two Oyster validators in the building which by the DC lines footbridge at the southern end of the platforms. From this building there is a passageway which leads to the high level North London Line platforms. There used to also be at least one on the North London line part of the station, but I don't recall if this has been moved. The building concerned is marked by the arrow in this link to Google Maps: http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=51.532185,-0.243703&ll=51.532201,-0.243689&spn=0.001195,0.002798&sll=51.532462,-0.244456&sspn=0.006295,0.006295&num=1&t=h&vpsrc=0& z=19 and there are always people validating when I go past. |
Travelled from Harrow and Wealdstone to Hackney via Willesden Jn on oyster and was charged a zone 1-6 fare
"Mizter T" wrote in message ... On Aug 24, 12:20 am, yameste wrote: I travelled last weekend from Harrow and Wealdstone to Hackney Central via zone 2 changing at Willesden Jn and I was astonished to find that they had charged me £2.70 for it. At Willesden Jn there are no oyster validator machines on the southbound platform on the NR/ tube line. I dont understand why I have been overcharged... The 'default' fare for Harrow & Wealdstone to Hackney Central is via zone 1 - this can be seen by checking the TfL single fare finder he http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/tickets/fa...inder/current/ -------------------------------------------------------------------- Frankly that makes no sense. Why would anyone make a journey involving two changes if they could make one? It's not as if they are avoiding the (relatively) low frequency NLL by doing so, they've always got to make some of the journey on this line. Nor are the connections nice, the "wrong" way connection at Oxford Circus is a longish walk as is the route from the Vic to the ground level platforms at H&I (or am I confusing this with FP?) And it can't be "quicker" this way. If it was, the default route from Willesden to Hackney would be via Z1, but it isn't tim |
Travelled from Harrow and Wealdstone to Hackney via Willesden Jn on oyster and was charged a zone 1-6 fare
"tim...." wrote: "Mizter T" wrote: The 'default' fare for Harrow & Wealdstone to Hackney Central is via zone 1 - this can be seen by checking the TfL single fare finder he http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/tickets/fa...inder/current/ Frankly that makes no sense. Why would anyone make a journey involving two changes if they could make one? It's not as if they are avoiding the (relatively) low frequency NLL by doing so, they've always got to make some of the journey on this line. Nor are the connections nice, the "wrong" way connection at Oxford Circus is a longish walk as is the route from the Vic to the ground level platforms at H&I (or am I confusing this with FP?) And it can't be "quicker" this way. If it was, the default route from Willesden to Hackney would be via Z1, but it isn't. Yes, I get where you're coming from. Maybe instead of working on the basis of Bakerloo-Victoria-NLL, the default fare is instead based on taking a fast train from H&W to Euston, then Vic line to H&I, then NLL to Hackney? (Though yes, that would inevitably entail passing through ticket gates in zone 1 twice at Euston NR & LU.) Indeed, whilst the NR journey planner suggests travelling via a change at Willesden Jn and then the NLL for nearly all journeys, the TfL Journey Planner alternately suggests that route and the fast train to Euston route - and the latter is shown as being faster at around 45 mins compared to 55 mins for the former. Thinking aloud, I dare say that 'default fares' are generated by some sort of routing algorithm, and it takes a bit of human intervention to alter them (which hasn't happened here)? Given the need to pass through gates in zone 1 if travelling via Euston (which would inevitably mean a via-z1 fare being charged), I think it'd be fair enough to change the default fare so as to assume the non-z1 route, i.e. changing at Willesden Jn. Maybe if the OP raises a ticket with Oyster CS this might possibly get fed back? |
Travelled from Harrow and Wealdstone to Hackney via Willesden Jn on oyster and was charged a zone 1-6 fare
"Mizter T" wrote in message
"tim...." wrote: "Mizter T" wrote: The 'default' fare for Harrow & Wealdstone to Hackney Central is via zone 1 - this can be seen by checking the TfL single fare finder he http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/tickets/fa...inder/current/ Frankly that makes no sense. Why would anyone make a journey involving two changes if they could make one? It's not as if they are avoiding the (relatively) low frequency NLL by doing so, they've always got to make some of the journey on this line. Nor are the connections nice, the "wrong" way connection at Oxford Circus is a longish walk as is the route from the Vic to the ground level platforms at H&I (or am I confusing this with FP?) And it can't be "quicker" this way. If it was, the default route from Willesden to Hackney would be via Z1, but it isn't. Yes, I get where you're coming from. Maybe instead of working on the basis of Bakerloo-Victoria-NLL, the default fare is instead based on taking a fast train from H&W to Euston, then Vic line to H&I, then NLL to Hackney? (Though yes, that would inevitably entail passing through ticket gates in zone 1 twice at Euston NR & LU.) Indeed, whilst the NR journey planner suggests travelling via a change at Willesden Jn and then the NLL for nearly all journeys, the TfL Journey Planner alternately suggests that route and the fast train to Euston route - and the latter is shown as being faster at around 45 mins compared to 55 mins for the former. Thinking aloud, I dare say that 'default fares' are generated by some sort of routing algorithm, and it takes a bit of human intervention to alter them (which hasn't happened here)? Given the need to pass through gates in zone 1 if travelling via Euston (which would inevitably mean a via-z1 fare being charged), I think it'd be fair enough to change the default fare so as to assume the non-z1 route, i.e. changing at Willesden Jn. Yes, I had a similar experience a while ago. I didn't bother complaining as l reached the Oyster day limit during the day, and passed through zone 1 later in the day anyway. |
Travelled from Harrow and Wealdstone to Hackney via Willesden Jn on oyster and was charged a zone 1-6 fare
"Recliner" wrote: "Mizter T" wrote: Thinking aloud, I dare say that 'default fares' are generated by some sort of routing algorithm, and it takes a bit of human intervention to alter them (which hasn't happened here)? Given the need to pass through gates in zone 1 if travelling via Euston (which would inevitably mean a via-z1 fare being charged), I think it'd be fair enough to change the default fare so as to assume the non-z1 route, i.e. changing at Willesden Jn. Yes, I had a similar experience a while ago. I didn't bother complaining as l reached the Oyster day limit during the day, and passed through zone 1 later in the day anyway. The extinction of the zones 2-6 (and 2-9) daily cap has perhaps had the effect of making me somewhat less concerned with ensuring that I benefit from non-z1 fares, at least on days when I'm likely to hit a cap (all of which now include z1 of course). Though just to be clear I'm by no means writing off the non-z1 fare concept at all. (Since the removal of the z2-6 cap I'm also now likely to ponder a moment longer - at the weekend at least - as to whether it's worthwhile going to a station and getting the Railcard-reduced Day Travelcard, which of course covers all of zones 1-6, for £5.30.) |
Travelled from Harrow and Wealdstone to Hackney via Willesden Jn on oyster and was charged a zone 1-6 fare
On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 16:44:58 +0100
"Mizter T" wrote: The extinction of the zones 2-6 (and 2-9) daily cap has perhaps had the When did this happen? Thats nice of them. Anything to grab some more money. B2003 |
Travelled from Harrow and Wealdstone to Hackney via Willesden Jn on oyster and was charged a zone 1-6 fare
wrote: On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 16:44:58 +0100 "Mizter T" wrote: The extinction of the zones 2-6 (and 2-9) daily cap has perhaps had the When did this happen? At the January 2011 fares change - it happened along with the withdrawal of the matching z2-6 and z2-9 Day Travelcards (and people did make some fuss at the time). The internal TfL blurb apparently said it was withdrawn in order to fund the 'evening (1600-1900) off-peak into zone 1' fare offer on the Tube (actually applies to any journey at the TfL rate, but not the NR rate) - though this doesn't seem to be promoted very well. The withdrawal of the z2-6/9 caps & matching Day Travelcards does seem somewhat at odds from Bozza who had made great play of saying he wouldn't be a "zone 1 Mayor" (though I suppose one can argue that the evening off-peak fare offer described above does benefit those from outer London who want to come into the centre in the evening - though only if they can do so by Tube, or on a rail line that charges Tube fares, i.e. swathes of south London don't benefit). |
Travelled from Harrow and Wealdstone to Hackney via Willesden Jn on oyster and was charged a zone 1-6 fare
"Mizter T" wrote:
The 'default' fare for Harrow & Wealdstone to Hackney Central is via zone 1 - this can be seen by checking the TfL single fare finder he http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/tickets/fa...inder/current/ Frankly that makes no sense. Why would anyone make a journey involving two changes if they could make one? It's not as if they are avoiding the (relatively) low frequency NLL by doing so, they've always got to make some of the journey on this line. Nor are the connections nice, the "wrong" way connection at Oxford Circus is a longish walk as is the route from the Vic to the ground level platforms at H&I (or am I confusing this with FP?) And it can't be "quicker" this way. If it was, the default route from Willesden to Hackney would be via Z1, but it isn't. Yes, I get where you're coming from. Maybe instead of working on the basis of Bakerloo-Victoria-NLL, the default fare is instead based on taking a fast train from H&W to Euston, then Vic line to H&I, then NLL to Hackney? (Though yes, that would inevitably entail passing through ticket gates in zone 1 twice at Euston NR & LU.) Indeed, whilst the NR journey planner suggests travelling via a change at Willesden Jn and then the NLL for nearly all journeys, the TfL Journey Planner alternately suggests that route and the fast train to Euston route - and the latter is shown as being faster at around 45 mins compared to 55 mins for the former. Thinking aloud, I dare say that 'default fares' are generated by some sort of routing algorithm, and it takes a bit of human intervention to alter them (which hasn't happened here)? Given the need to pass through gates in zone 1 if travelling via Euston (which would inevitably mean a via-z1 fare being charged), I think it'd be fair enough to change the default fare so as to assume the non-z1 route, i.e. changing at Willesden Jn. The way that I see it is that where there are two routes with different prices, the default is the higher priced route, by touching your card onto a pink validator you get switched onto the lower fare. Being realistic, if the default was the cheaper route then how many people voluntarily admit to having taken the higher-priced route. As for Willesden Junction, IIRC the pink validator is half-way along the (narrow) tunnel between the two groups of platforms, so anyone who would benefit from using the pink validator there will naturally walk past it when changing trains. |
Travelled from Harrow and Wealdstone to Hackney via Willesden Jnon oyster and was charged a zone 1-6 fare
On Aug 24, 9:22*pm, "SteveL" wrote: "Mizter T" wrote: [...] Maybe instead of working on the basis of Bakerloo-Victoria-NLL, the default fare is instead based on taking a fast train from H&W to Euston, then Vic line to H&I, then NLL to Hackney? (Though yes, that would inevitably entail passing through ticket gates in zone 1 twice at Euston NR & LU.) Indeed, whilst the NR journey planner suggests travelling via a change at Willesden Jn and then the NLL for nearly all journeys, the TfL Journey Planner alternately suggests that route and the fast train to Euston route - and the latter is shown as being faster at around 45 mins compared to 55 mins for the former. Thinking aloud, I dare say that 'default fares' are generated by some sort of routing algorithm, and it takes a bit of human intervention to alter them (which hasn't happened here)? Given the need to pass through gates in zone 1 if travelling via Euston (which would inevitably mean a via-z1 fare being charged), I think it'd be fair enough to change the default fare so as to assume the non-z1 route, i.e. changing at Willesden Jn. The way that I see it is that where there are two routes with different prices, the default is the higher priced route, by touching your card onto a pink validator you get switched onto the lower fare. Being realistic, if the default was the cheaper route then how many people voluntarily admit to having taken the higher-priced route. Understood - though if travelling via a fast train from H&W to Euston then one doesn't really have a choice about whether to 'admit' going via zone 1, as one is compelled to negotiate at least one gateline at Euston LU (whether one has to negotiate another gateline at Euston NR depends whether or not the train arrives in to one of the suburban platforms - though regardless of where it arrives, a punter should touch-out on exit at Euston NR anyway) - so the very act of choosing the Euston route flags up the journey as via zone 1. Of course that doesn't cover punters who travel via the Bakerloo line to Oxford Circus, then the Vic line to H&I, then the NLL to Hackney Central - but under normal situations that's really not a very logical route these days, i.e. in the context of the much improved NLL service (it's certainly not a route that any journey planner suggests). However the shear number of origin/destination pairs in London likely makes in-depth of pondering all the options for all potential journeys unrealistic - and it'd be understandable if, for routes where two (or more) fares could exist, there'd be some automatic presumption that the cheaper fare would apply to those pax who used the pink Oyster route validator at the relevant interchange (if provided). As for Willesden Junction, IIRC the pink validator is half-way along the (narrow) tunnel between the two groups of platforms, so anyone who would benefit from using the pink validator there will naturally walk past it when changing trains. |
Travelled from Harrow and Wealdstone to Hackney via Willesden Jn
In article op.v0pso1n5yfeo2q@pc-prime, (andypurk) wrote:
On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 09:25:56 +0100, yameste wrote: When you see its by the electric lines do you mean the DC lines. I was walked from the first carriage of a southbound DC line train to the NLL high level and I couldnt see one. A few months ago I do remember seeing an oyster validator on the northbound platform. Logically the oyster validator should be before you enter the stairs frmo the DC lines to the NLL. This makes it easier for everyone but I strongly suspect that they sited these validators in suspicous locations because they want to chop (eat) the money so that they can make lots of money ! There are two Oyster validators in the building which by the DC lines footbridge at the southern end of the platforms. From this building there is a passageway which leads to the high level North London Line platforms. There used to also be at least one on the North London line part of the station, but I don't recall if this has been moved. I was told I had to go most of the way to the DC lines platforms when I asked where one was on the NLL Westbound platform. There is a staffed enquiry kiosk there. The building concerned is marked by the arrow in this link to Google Maps: http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=51.5...51.532201,-0.2 43689&spn=0.001195,0.002798&sll=51.532462,-0.244456&sspn=0.006295,0.00 6295&num=1&t=h&vpsrc=0&z=19 and there are always people validating when I go past. That looks like where I hike to and back with my bike. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
Travelled from Harrow and Wealdstone to Hackney via Willesden Jn on oyster
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Travelled from Harrow and Wealdstone to Hackney via Willesden Jn on oyster
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In article , (SteveL) wrote: As for Willesden Junction, IIRC the pink validator is half-way along the (narrow) tunnel between the two groups of platforms, so anyone who would benefit from using the pink validator there will naturally walk past it when changing trains. I don't think it is on the direct walking route. It's certainly miles off if changing from a NLL to a WLL train. I certainly missed it the last time I needed it. |
Travelled from Harrow and Wealdstone to Hackney via Willesden Jn on oyster and was charged a zone 1-6 fare
"SteveL" wrote in message
o.uk... As for Willesden Junction, IIRC the pink validator is half-way along the (narrow) tunnel between the two groups of platforms, so anyone who would benefit from using the pink validator there will naturally walk past it when changing trains. Isn't there a second route nowadays from the north end of the footbridge (ie turning left at the top of the P1/2/3 stairs) to the eastern end of the high level platforms - not a lot of use if there is no pink validator in that direction... Paul S |
Travelled from Harrow and Wealdstone to Hackney via Willesden Jnon oyster and was charged a zone 1-6 fare
On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 11:53:12 +0100, Paul Scott
wrote: "SteveL" wrote in message o.uk... As for Willesden Junction, IIRC the pink validator is half-way along the (narrow) tunnel between the two groups of platforms, so anyone who would benefit from using the pink validator there will naturally walk past it when changing trains. Isn't there a second route nowadays from the north end of the footbridge (ie turning left at the top of the P1/2/3 stairs) to the eastern end of the high level platforms - not a lot of use if there is no pink validator in that direction... Yes there is. I've only used it once and can't recall if there was an Oyster validator on that route. If there isn't, then there should be. -- Using Opera's revolutionary email client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ |
Travelled from Harrow and Wealdstone to Hackney via Willesden Jn
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Travelled from Harrow and Wealdstone to Hackney via WillesdenJn
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In articleop.v0rqfphcyfeo2q@pc-prime, (andypurk) wrote: On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 11:53:12 +0100, Paul Scott wrote: wrote in message o.uk... As for Willesden Junction, IIRC the pink validator is half-way along the (narrow) tunnel between the two groups of platforms, so anyone who would benefit from using the pink validator there will naturally walk past it when changing trains. Isn't there a second route nowadays from the north end of the footbridge (ie turning left at the top of the P1/2/3 stairs) to the eastern end of the high level platforms - not a lot of use if there is no pink validator in that direction... Yes there is. I've only used it once and can't recall if there was an Oyster validator on that route. If there isn't, then there should be. There should be one on the NLL platforms as people can change trains there. Are you thinking about journeys like Highbury & Islington to Clapham Junction, if you get a Richmond train and have to change at WJ to a WJ-CJ train? But you can do the whole journey on one train if you time it right. What happens then? Do you get lumbered with a "via Zone 1" fare? -- Richard J. (to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address) |
Travelled from Harrow and Wealdstone to Hackney via Willesden Jn
On Aug 25, 9:27*pm, "Richard J." wrote:
wrote on 25 August 2011 20:04:59 ... In articleop.v0rqfphcyfeo2q@pc-prime, (andypurk) wrote: On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 11:53:12 +0100, Paul Scott *wrote: *wrote in message news:fOydncOUh5gJwMjTnZ2dnUVZ8k6dnZ2d@brightvie w.co.uk... As for Willesden Junction, IIRC the pink validator is half-way along the (narrow) tunnel between the two groups of platforms, so anyone who would benefit from using the pink validator there will naturally walk past it when changing trains. Isn't there a second route nowadays from the north end of the footbridge *(ie turning left at the top of the P1/2/3 stairs) to the eastern end of *the high level platforms - not a lot of use if there is no pink *validator in that direction... Yes there is. I've only used it once and can't recall if there was an * Oyster validator on that route. If there isn't, then there should be. There should be one on the NLL platforms as people can change trains there. Are you thinking about journeys like Highbury & Islington to Clapham Junction, if you get a Richmond train and have to change at WJ to a WJ-CJ train? *But you can do the whole journey on one train if you time it right. What happens then? *Do you get lumbered with a "via Zone 1" fare? -- Richard J. (to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address)- That one seems to be priced not via zone 1 by default. |
Travelled from Harrow and Wealdstone to Hackney via Willesden Jn
On Aug 25, 9:27*pm, "Richard J." wrote: wrote on 25 August 2011 20:04:59 ... There should be one on the NLL platforms as people can change trains there. Are you thinking about journeys like Highbury & Islington to Clapham Junction, if you get a Richmond train and have to change at WJ to a WJ-CJ train? *But you can do the whole journey on one train if you time it right. What happens then? *Do you get lumbered with a "via Zone 1" fare? No, that's a zone 2 fare - and Stratford to Clapham Junction is charged as a zone 2&3 fare. You can check all such possibilities using the TfL single fare finder here... http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/tickets/fa...inder/current/ ....cross-referencing, if needs be, to the TfL-rate fare table he http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/14416.aspx Bear in mind the different fare tables for NR-only and through NR+TfL rate fares. |
Travelled from Harrow and Wealdstone to Hackney via Willesden
In article ,
(Richard J.) wrote: wrote on 25 August 2011 20:04:59 ... In articleop.v0rqfphcyfeo2q@pc-prime, (andypurk) wrote: On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 11:53:12 +0100, Paul Scott wrote: wrote in message o.uk... As for Willesden Junction, IIRC the pink validator is half-way along the (narrow) tunnel between the two groups of platforms, so anyone who would benefit from using the pink validator there will naturally walk past it when changing trains. Isn't there a second route nowadays from the north end of the footbridge (ie turning left at the top of the P1/2/3 stairs) to the eastern end of the high level platforms - not a lot of use if there is no pink validator in that direction... Yes there is. I've only used it once and can't recall if there was an Oyster validator on that route. If there isn't, then there should be. There should be one on the NLL platforms as people can change trains there. Are you thinking about journeys like Highbury & Islington to Clapham Junction, if you get a Richmond train and have to change at WJ to a WJ-CJ train? But you can do the whole journey on one train if you time it right. What happens then? Do you get lumbered with a "via Zone 1" fare? We had a discussion here where I got lumbered with a "via Zone 1" fare despite touching the pink validator. I think the problem was because I continued to Putney. If I had stopped at Clapham Junction I'd have got a "via Zone 2" fare. I was thinking more of changing involving reversal there which might be a bit more likely to be justified. That said, even Acton Central to Shepherd's Bush doesn't look too plausible, though. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
Travelled from Harrow and Wealdstone to Hackney via Willesden
On Aug 25, 10:22*pm, wrote: In article , (Richard J.) wrote: There should be one on the NLL platforms as people can change trains there. Are you thinking about journeys like Highbury & Islington to Clapham Junction, if you get a Richmond train and have to change at WJ to a WJ-CJ train? *But you can do the whole journey on one train if you time it right. What happens then? *Do you get lumbered with a "via Zone 1" fare? We had a discussion here where I got lumbered with a "via Zone 1" fare despite touching the pink validator. I think the problem was because I continued to Putney. If I had stopped at Clapham Junction I'd have got a "via Zone 2" fare. Yes, if I remember the discussion correctly that was indeed the issue - it was a Highbury & Islington to Putney journey, via NLL/WLL to CJ then SWT - but there's no 'non-z1' fare in the system for that journey. I was thinking more of changing involving reversal there which might be a bit more likely to be justified. That said, even Acton Central to Shepherd's Bush doesn't look too plausible, though. Acton Central to Shepherd's Bush (LO) is charged as a zone 2&3 journey anyway. |
Travelled from Harrow and Wealdstone to Hackney via Willesden Jn on oyster and was charged a zone 1-6 fare
Mizter T wrote in
The extinction of the zones 2-6 (and 2-9) daily cap has perhaps had the effect of making me somewhat less concerned with ensuring that I benefit from non-z1 fares, at least on days when I'm likely to hit a cap (all of which now include z1 of course). Though just to be clear I'm by no means writing off the non-z1 fare concept at all. (Since the removal of the z2-6 cap I'm also now likely to ponder a moment longer - at the weekend at least - as to whether it's worthwhile going to a station and getting the Railcard-reduced Day Travelcard, which of course covers all of zones 1-6, for £5.30.) I take it this refers to a railcard like the Network card that cannot be loaded on to Oyster as a discount ? -- Mike D |
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