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Finally live on the web! Woohoo!

Nice easy to use interface too.

Not sure how well it works on mobile phones yet.
http://countdown.tfl.gov.uk
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14779558

I can already think of ways that it can be improved, but I'm just bloody
grateful for it finally being available.

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Typing from Kentish Town

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Hmm. Stops dead on the London border despite my nearest route
continuing on...and no way to link directly to a given bus stop. Makes
it fairly useless on a phone!

....and has tiny tiny buttons. TfL could do with some usability
experts ;) ...would be nice if it used the browser's location API to
give you a choice of bus stops near to where you are too...

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Jamie Thompson writes
Hmm. Stops dead on the London border despite my nearest route
continuing on...and no way to link directly to a given bus stop. Makes
it fairly useless on a phone!

...and has tiny tiny buttons. TfL could do with some usability
experts ;) ...would be nice if it used the browser's location API to
give you a choice of bus stops near to where you are too...

I sort of agree (but I can cope), but there's a very clearly shown "text
version" button at the top. Also if you however above the bus stop on
the map then then click on the bus stop name itself it takes you to a
permalink.

e.g.

http://countdown.tfl.gov.uk/#|searchTerm=trafalgar%20square|stopCode=7769
4
(wonder what's happened to the 87 bus route?)

I'd like it to link to the specific bus timetables page directly; could
be useful; would advertise that feature and people could work out first
and last bus times.


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Typing from Kentish Town

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On Sep 4, 7:13*pm, Paul G wrote:
Finally live on the web! *Woohoo!

Nice easy to use interface too.

Not sure how well it works on mobile phones yet.
http://countdown.tfl.gov.uk
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14779558

I can already think of ways that it can be improved, but I'm just bloody
grateful for it finally being available.

Woohoo indeed - this is really great stuff!

Despite the Countdown element of the URL, they seem to call it "Live
bus departures" on the webpages themselves - I'm sure we'll continue
to call it Countdown nonetheless.

Seems to work pretty well - the pages for individual bus stops can of
course be bookmarked, and there's also a cookie-based 'My Stops'
option for stops one regularly consults.

AFAICS the mobile version isn't currently accessible from the TfL
mobile front page (at http://m.tfl.gov.uk), presumably because it's
still in the testing phase...

....*however*, it can be accessed by going straight to the following
address - http://m.countdown.tfl.gov.uk - which has a nice, clean,
text-based interface for mobiles (mapping is available but optional).

(Mildly) Interesting that the mapping isn't Google Maps based, unlike
the new-ish dynamic Bus Maps on the TfL website [1] - indeed at
present there's no link from said Bus Maps facility to this new
Countdown service, again presumably because the latter is still in a
testing phase.

Could have made use of this today - I had a long-ish wait for a bus,
though I did pop to the shop whilst waiting and could perhaps have
missed one whilst I was in there. (Though if I'd been awake I could
have also realised that another route would have taken me around the
corner from where I wanted to be, but I wasn't really thinking at the
time.)

Fantastic.

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On Sep 4, 8:42*pm, Jamie Thompson wrote:
Hmm. Stops dead on the London border despite my nearest route
continuing on...and no way to link directly to a given bus stop. Makes
it fairly useless on a phone!

See my other post - there's an m-prefixed mobile version.

Also not sure what you mean about linking directly to a given bus stop
- you can bookmark each bus stop's individual page, and you can also
search for a specific bus stop using either the bus stop's name or
unique 5-digit code.


...and has tiny tiny buttons. TfL could do with some usability
experts ;) ...would be nice if it used the browser's location API to
give you a choice of bus stops near to where you are too...

The latter is provided for with the mobile version of the site, as
there's a "Show stops near me" button on the Front page - though
whether that option is shown or not might depend on whether or not
such a location service is available using that connection / device
(note that one can also view mobile sites by using the "wmlbrowser"
add-on in Firefox).

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On Sep 4, 11:59*pm, Mizter T wrote:
See my other post - there's an m-prefixed mobile version.

Indeed, I just saw the link in the London Reconnections
comments...lovely!

Also not sure what you mean about linking directly to a given bus stop
- you can bookmark each bus stop's individual page, and you can also
search for a specific bus stop using either the bus stop's name or
unique 5-digit code.

On the desktop version it's unfortunately all Javascript-heavy with no
real hyperlinks anywhere, so no pages to bookmark.

...and has tiny tiny buttons. TfL could do with some usability
experts ;) ...would be nice if it used the browser's location API to
give you a choice of bus stops near to where you are too...

The latter is provided for with the mobile version of the site, as
there's a "Show stops near me" button on the Front page - though
whether that option is shown or not might depend on whether or not
such a location service is available using that connection / device
(note that one can also view mobile sites by using the "wmlbrowser"
add-on in Firefox).

Indeed. That's what I call service. Not bad for a few hours ;)

I still have to use the bus stop at the other end of the High Road as
my data point though, as that's where the boundary with London is. OK
for buses heading towards you from it...not so useful for those
heading towards it. The system clearly has to operate all the time
(otherwise how would it know when buses beyond the boundary were due
to reach the first stop past it!), so I'm disappointed they seem to be
hiding the stops beyond the boundary. Guess I should be grateful I
have a single stop where the two TfL routes converge so I can get both
sets of data at once...not including major interchanges like Watford
Junction and Bushey station does seems deliberately awkward though.

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Thanks for the advice! A seriously useful web page.

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"Jamie Thompson" wrote:

On Sep 4, 11:59 pm, Mizter T wrote:

See my other post - there's an m-prefixed mobile version.

Indeed, I just saw the link in the London Reconnections
comments...lovely!

I just took a guess as to the address and voila, it worked!


Also not sure what you mean about linking directly to a given bus stop
- you can bookmark each bus stop's individual page, and you can also
search for a specific bus stop using either the bus stop's name or
unique 5-digit code.

On the desktop version it's unfortunately all Javascript-heavy with no
real hyperlinks anywhere, so no pages to bookmark.

Not true, as Paul G has already pointed out - if you click on a particular
bus stop, then the bus stop's unique code will appear as part of the URL in
your browser's address bar (well it does for me) - you can then bookmark
this (and also delete the "|searchTerm=xxx" part of the URL if you want).


...and has tiny tiny buttons. TfL could do with some usability
experts ;) ...would be nice if it used the browser's location API to
give you a choice of bus stops near to where you are too...

The latter is provided for with the mobile version of the site, as
there's a "Show stops near me" button on the Front page - though
whether that option is shown or not might depend on whether or not
such a location service is available using that connection / device
(note that one can also view mobile sites by using the "wmlbrowser"
add-on in Firefox).

Indeed. That's what I call service. Not bad for a few hours ;)

I still have to use the bus stop at the other end of the High Road as
my data point though, as that's where the boundary with London is. OK
for buses heading towards you from it...not so useful for those
heading towards it. The system clearly has to operate all the time
(otherwise how would it know when buses beyond the boundary were due
to reach the first stop past it!), so I'm disappointed they seem to be
hiding the stops beyond the boundary. Guess I should be grateful I
have a single stop where the two TfL routes converge so I can get both
sets of data at once...not including major interchanges like Watford
Junction and Bushey station does seems deliberately awkward though.


Shame it doesn't stretch beyond the GL boundary - however I'm wondering
whether this is the result of some sort of agreement with/ between the
Traveline providers to not step on each others toes - i.e. as and when
Traveline South East provides a similar service, then perhaps the idea is
that TfL London Buses travelling outside the GL boundary will feature as a
part of that service?

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(Mizter T) wrote:

[x-posted to uk.transport.buses]

On Sep 4, 7:13*pm, Paul G wrote:
Finally live on the web! *Woohoo!

Nice easy to use interface too.

Not sure how well it works on mobile phones yet.
http://countdown.tfl.gov.uk
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14779558

I can already think of ways that it can be improved, but I'm just bloody
grateful for it finally being available.

Woohoo indeed - this is really great stuff!

Despite the Countdown element of the URL, they seem to call it "Live
bus departures" on the webpages themselves - I'm sure we'll continue
to call it Countdown nonetheless.

Seems to work pretty well - the pages for individual bus stops can of
course be bookmarked, and there's also a cookie-based 'My Stops'
option for stops one regularly consults.

AFAICS the mobile version isn't currently accessible from the TfL
mobile front page (at http://m.tfl.gov.uk), presumably because it's
still in the testing phase...

...*however*, it can be accessed by going straight to the following
address - http://m.countdown.tfl.gov.uk - which has a nice, clean,
text-based interface for mobiles (mapping is available but optional).

(Mildly) Interesting that the mapping isn't Google Maps based, unlike
the new-ish dynamic Bus Maps on the TfL website [1] - indeed at
present there's no link from said Bus Maps facility to this new
Countdown service, again presumably because the latter is still in a
testing phase.

Could have made use of this today - I had a long-ish wait for a bus,
though I did pop to the shop whilst waiting and could perhaps have
missed one whilst I was in there. (Though if I'd been awake I could
have also realised that another route would have taken me around the
corner from where I wanted to be, but I wasn't really thinking at the
time.)

Fantastic.

When I tried looking at this from my mobile at home it "remembered" the last
bus stop code I had entered which is actually for one in Cambridge. Is this
part of a larger national project?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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wrote:
[Countdown on the (mobile) web]
When I tried looking at this from my mobile at home it "remembered" the
last
bus stop code I had entered which is actually for one in Cambridge. Is
this
part of a larger national project?

Yes, I think it is - at least I think it's being co-ordinated with the wider
Traveline provision of live bus running information (or RTI - real time
information).

I'm guessing you were looking at the Cambridge information via Traveline's
"NextBuses" interface at http://mytraveline.mobi, or is there another
interface?

The NextBuses service doesn't appear to be taking a live feed of the
Countdown information (yet) - it just shows the timetabled departures for
particular stops - nor does it appear to accept London bus stop codes (yet).

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In article , (Mizter T) wrote:

wrote:
[Countdown on the (mobile) web]
When I tried looking at this from my mobile at home it "remembered" the
last bus stop code I had entered which is actually for one in Cambridge.
Is this part of a larger national project?

Yes, I think it is - at least I think it's being co-ordinated with
the wider Traveline provision of live bus running information (or RTI
- real time information).

I'm guessing you were looking at the Cambridge information via
Traveline's "NextBuses" interface at http://mytraveline.mobi, or is
there another interface?

I suppose so but it's too long ago to remember.

The NextBuses service doesn't appear to be taking a live feed of the
Countdown information (yet) - it just shows the timetabled departures
for particular stops - nor does it appear to accept London bus stop
codes (yet).

I think it depends on what Real Time information is available. There is a
mixture in Cambridge. Some buses show minutes to go, others timetabled
departure times which means that late running buses without Real Time
information disappear when the due time passes.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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wrote:

In article , (Mizter T)
wrote:

wrote:
[Countdown on the (mobile) web]
When I tried looking at this from my mobile at home it "remembered" the
last bus stop code I had entered which is actually for one in
Cambridge.
Is this part of a larger national project?

Yes, I think it is - at least I think it's being co-ordinated with
the wider Traveline provision of live bus running information (or RTI
- real time information).

I'm guessing you were looking at the Cambridge information via
Traveline's "NextBuses" interface at http://mytraveline.mobi, or is
there another interface?

I suppose so but it's too long ago to remember.

There should be some relatively easy way of seeing the URL that lies behind
a bookmark, though it does vary by device and mobile browser. Or else click
on "New Search" - if it's the Traveline NextBuses service that should take
you to their front page.


The NextBuses service doesn't appear to be taking a live feed of the
Countdown information (yet) - it just shows the timetabled departures
for particular stops - nor does it appear to accept London bus stop
codes (yet).

I think it depends on what Real Time information is available. There is a
mixture in Cambridge. Some buses show minutes to go, others timetabled
departure times which means that late running buses without Real Time
information disappear when the due time passes.

Yes, that seems to be the basic modus operandi for such services - if proper
RTI isn't available, then it shows the timetabled departure time instead.

e.g. this is Oxontime, Oxfordshire CC's bus RTI service - whether a bus is
shown in 'RTI-mode' or not is explained under the "What you see?" heading
he
http://www.oxontime.com/style/pages/about.asp

RTI coverage for Oxontime is outlined he
http://www.oxontime.com/style/pages/coverage.asp

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In article , (Mizter T) wrote:

wrote:

In article , (Mizter
T) wrote:

wrote:
[Countdown on the (mobile) web]
When I tried looking at this from my mobile at home it "remembered"
the last bus stop code I had entered which is actually for one in
Cambridge. Is this part of a larger national project?

Yes, I think it is - at least I think it's being co-ordinated with
the wider Traveline provision of live bus running information (or RTI
- real time information).

I'm guessing you were looking at the Cambridge information via
Traveline's "NextBuses" interface at http://mytraveline.mobi, or is
there another interface?

I suppose so but it's too long ago to remember.

There should be some relatively easy way of seeing the URL that lies
behind a bookmark, though it does vary by device and mobile browser.
Or else click on "New Search" - if it's the Traveline NextBuses
service that should take you to their front page.

The NextBuses service doesn't appear to be taking a live feed of the
Countdown information (yet) - it just shows the timetabled departures
for particular stops - nor does it appear to accept London bus stop
codes (yet).

I think it depends on what Real Time information is available. There is
a mixture in Cambridge. Some buses show minutes to go, others timetabled
departure times which means that late running buses without Real Time
information disappear when the due time passes.

Yes, that seems to be the basic modus operandi for such services - if
proper RTI isn't available, then it shows the timetabled departure
time instead.

e.g. this is Oxontime, Oxfordshire CC's bus RTI service - whether a
bus is shown in 'RTI-mode' or not is explained under the "What you
see?" heading he
http://www.oxontime.com/style/pages/about.asp

RTI coverage for Oxontime is outlined he
http://www.oxontime.com/style/pages/coverage.asp

The browser on my phone is utter crap. So I've no idea how to get at any of
the suggested data.

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Colin Rosenstiel

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On Sun, 4 Sep 2011 19:13:52 +0100, Paul G
wrote:


Finally live on the web! Woohoo!

Nice easy to use interface too.

Not sure how well it works on mobile phones yet.
http://countdown.tfl.gov.uk
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14779558

I can already think of ways that it can be improved, but I'm just bloody
grateful for it finally being available.

One obvious improvement would be an awareness of long-term diversions.

Lansdowne Road in Tottenham has been closed to buses for some weeks
now, but still shows departures now.


--
Regards

John

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On 2011\09\05 17:36, John wrote:

Lansdowne Road in Tottenham has been closed to buses for some weeks
now

Because of the riots?

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On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 17:42:16 +0100, Basil Jet
wrote:

On 2011\09\05 17:36, John wrote:

Lansdowne Road in Tottenham has been closed to buses for some weeks
now

Because of the riots?

Yes.

Most of the road is open except for the short bit next to where
Carpetright used to be. This prevents access between Tottenham High
Road and Lansdowne Road and as a result the 476, 318 and 341 are all
diverted along Northumberland Park.

http://countdown.tfl.gov.uk/#|searchTerm=spencer road|stopCode=56775
shows six buses in the next half hour though.
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John

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On Sun, 4 Sep 2011 15:59:01 -0700 (PDT), Mizter T
wrote:

See my other post - there's an m-prefixed mobile version.

A shame it isn't linked-to from TfL's new mobile site - the bus
information there is only of the "disruptions" type. Perhaps it's
because m.countdown claims for now to be a "test version".

It's good to see it finally on the internet. It'll be even better
when it gets through to Traveline (I use the "Catch that Bus" phone
app) and/or Transport Direct. (By the way, my recommendation for a
free Android bus and train departures phone app would be Öffi,
excellent for London.)

Richard.

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In message of Mon, 5 Sep
2011 20:14:31 in uk.transport.london, Paul Corfield
writes
On Mon, 05 Sep 2011 17:36:44 +0100, John
wrote:

One obvious improvement would be an awareness of long-term diversions.

Lansdowne Road in Tottenham has been closed to buses for some weeks
now, but still shows departures now.

I have already given feedback via the staff questionnaire as I spotted
this issue having seen the 476 on diversion and wondering how the
system dealt with it and then noting that it doesn't deal with it (in
the test version).


OTOH, the system seems to know about the major diversions at Moorgate
Station - Crossrail preparatory work. The information is oblique.

e.g. http://m.countdown.tfl.gov.uk/arrivals/77257 gives "no bus
information is available for this stop".
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On Sep 5, 11:31*am, "Mizter T" wrote:
wrote:
[Countdown on the (mobile) web]
When I tried looking at this from my mobile at home it "remembered" the
last
bus stop code I had entered which is actually for one in Cambridge. Is
this
part of a larger national project?

Yes, I think it is - at least I think it's being co-ordinated with the wider
Traveline provision of live bus running information (or RTI - real time
information).

I'm guessing you were looking at the Cambridge information via Traveline's
"NextBuses" interface at http://mytraveline.mobi, or is there another
interface?

The NextBuses service doesn't appear to be taking a live feed of the
Countdown information (yet) - it just shows the timetabled departures for
particular stops - nor does it appear to accept London bus stop codes (yet).

Oh my. Thank you for that! Works perfectly for my local stops :D

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On Sep 5, 8:43*pm, Richard wrote:

On Sun, 4 Sep 2011 15:59:01 -0700 (PDT), Mizter T
wrote:

See my other post - there's an m-prefixed mobile version.

A shame it isn't linked-to from TfL's new mobile site - the bus
information there is only of the "disruptions" type. *Perhaps it's
because m.countdown claims for now to be a "test version".

I'm sure that's the reason why - both the mobile and full web versions
very clearly state "This is a test version". They don't need to
advertise its existence much for there to be a whole horde of eager
beta testers rushing along to try it (I was going to say 'test it to
destruction', but one hopes it isn't destroyed that easily!).


It's good to see it finally on the internet. *It'll be even better
when it gets through to Traveline (I use the "Catch that Bus" phone
app) and/or Transport Direct. *(By the way, my recommendation for a
free Android bus and train departures phone app would be Öffi,
excellent for London.)

I'd imagine that will all come in time.

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On Sep 6, 12:44*am, Jamie Thompson wrote:

On Sep 5, 11:31*am, "Mizter T" wrote:
[snip]
I'm guessing you were looking at the Cambridge information via Traveline's
"NextBuses" interface at http://mytraveline.mobi, or is there another
interface?

The NextBuses service doesn't appear to be taking a live feed of the
Countdown information (yet) - it just shows the timetabled departures for
particular stops - nor does it appear to accept London bus stop codes (yet).

Oh my. Thank you for that! Works perfectly for my local stops :D

Though do be aware that it might just be timetabled running info, as
opposed to anything 'real time' (e.g. all TfL London bus routes only
show up as timetabled rather than real time info in NextBuses at the
mo).

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wrote

The NextBuses service doesn't appear to be taking a live feed of
the
Countdown information (yet) - it just shows the timetabled
departures
for particular stops - nor does it appear to accept London bus stop

codes (yet).

I think it depends on what Real Time information is available. There
is a
mixture in Cambridge. Some buses show minutes to go, others
timetabled
departure times which means that late running buses without Real Time

information disappear when the due time passes.

Actually this can happen even when Real Time information is available
depending on what accuracy is assumed.

So if this is say 5 minutes a bus reported as 12 minutes late may
disappear 7 minutes after the time table time. A frantic shift to
request reporting at a stop further along the route will show the bus
again.
(observations using http://nextbuses.mobi in North Surrey)

========
09:32 04/09/11
Nextbuses.mobi displayed next 458 to Kingston at Halfway Green W-O-T
"in 20 minutes".

09:37 458 arrived with internal display showing "wheatsheaf lane" (near
Staines/ Laleham and so yes, 20 minutes from where it actually was.).
========

The new "test" countdown system (both stops in Greater London) can give
up when a bus is still "due" at a previous stop and when it's too long
before the next bus (hourly 465 on Sunday).

http://m.countdown.tfl.gov.uk/arrivals/47983

Woodbines Avenue (UN) @ 20:43 - Bus stop code 47983
towards SURBITON OR THAMES DITTON

Sorry no bus information is available for this stop. Please consult the
bus timetable or visit tfl.gov.uk

http://m.countdown.tfl.gov.uk/arrivals/55881

East Lane (UM) @ 20:45 - Bus stop code 55881
towards SURBITON OR THAMES DITTON
Route To Time
465 Dorking due

Live Bus Departures
Buses departing from
East Lane (UM) @ 20:47 - Bus stop code 55881
towards SURBITON OR THAMES DITTON

Sorry no bus information is available for this stop. Please consult the
bus timetable or visit tfl.gov.uk
--

No "feedback" link apparent so no idea if they want any.


--
Mike D

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On Mon, 5 Sep 2011, Mizter T wrote:

"Jamie Thompson" wrote:

On Sep 4, 11:59 pm, Mizter T wrote:

Also not sure what you mean about linking directly to a given bus stop
- you can bookmark each bus stop's individual page, and you can also
search for a specific bus stop using either the bus stop's name or
unique 5-digit code.

On the desktop version it's unfortunately all Javascript-heavy with no
real hyperlinks anywhere, so no pages to bookmark.

Not true, as Paul G has already pointed out - if you click on a
particular bus stop, then the bus stop's unique code will appear as part
of the URL in your browser's address bar (well it does for me)

Stops get a bookmarkable-ish URL, other things don't. However, using my
special web developer powers, i have also summoned this:

http://accessible.countdown.tfl.gov.uk/

Which is a non-javascript version where all the URLs are lovely:

http://accessible.countdown.tfl.gov....oud+green+road
http://accessible.countdown.tfl.gov....ocation/483458
http://accessible.countdown.tfl.gov.uk/arrivals/71018

There's also nothing stopping you using the mobile site from a desktop
browser:

http://m.countdown.tfl.gov.uk/search...oud+green+road
http://m.countdown.tfl.gov.uk/stopsNearLocation/483458
http://m.countdown.tfl.gov.uk/arrivals/71018

I would guess from the URLs that the accessible and mobile sites are the
same engine with slightly different output.

tom

--
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CRUSH THEM WITH HIS METAL CLAWS. In the meantime, Torg enjoys making
generic acid music.

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Tom Anderson wrote

Stops get a bookmarkable-ish URL, other things don't. However, using
my
special web developer powers, i have also summoned this:

http://accessible.countdown.tfl.gov.uk/

Which is a non-javascript version where all [...]

Eh ?

A View Source seems to show lots of javascript.

All three versions are doing something my Kindle's browser doesn't like
which result in nothing I type into the search box appearing, indeed
this is also true of the site search box which works fine on other TfL
pages.

--
Mike D

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On Fri, 9 Sep 2011, Michael R N Dolbear wrote:

Tom Anderson wrote

Stops get a bookmarkable-ish URL, other things don't. However, using my
special web developer powers, i have also summoned this:

http://accessible.countdown.tfl.gov.uk/

Which is a non-javascript version where all [...]

Eh ?

A View Source seems to show lots of javascript.

None of it essential. If you switch javascript off entirely, the
accessible site works perfectly (in Firefox on OS X and Linux, at least;
however, without javascript, it should be very portable).

All three versions are doing something my Kindle's browser doesn't like
which result in nothing I type into the search box appearing, indeed
this is also true of the site search box which works fine on other TfL
pages.

Interesting. Can you disable javascript? As i said, the accessible site
works perfectly without it on my browser, so there is a fighting chance it
will work on a Kindle. If a non-javascript site works on a desktop but not
a Kindle, that would be surprising and interesting. It would be worth
bringing to TfL's attention, although the Kindle might not be on their
list of supported browsers, even for the accessible site.

tom

--
The ultimate crime-based society is one where everyone is criminal and
no one is aware of the fact. -- J. G. Ballard, Cocaine Nights

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Tom Anderson wrote
On Fri, 9 Sep 2011, Michael R N Dolbear wrote:

Eh ?

A View Source seems to show lots of javascript.

None of it essential. If you switch javascript off entirely, the
accessible site works perfectly (in Firefox on OS X and Linux, at
least; however, without javascript, it should be very portable).

All three versions are doing something my Kindle's browser doesn't
like which result in nothing I type into the search box appearing,
indeed this is also true of the site search box which works fine on
other
TfL pages.

Interesting. Can you disable javascript? As i said, the accessible
site works perfectly without it on my browser, so there is a fighting
chance it will work on a Kindle. If a non-javascript site works on a
desktop
but not a Kindle, that would be surprising and interesting. It would be
worth bringing to TfL's attention, although the Kindle might not be on
their
list of supported browsers, even for the accessible site.

the Kindel browser uses WebKit so results from Safari, Chrome and
Android would be of interest for the two site versions mentioned below

Yes, I can disable javascript on the Kindle browser and I was about to
type "it makes no difference" until I realised I had six tests to do.

So search text cannot be entered, javascript disabled or not, for :-
http://accessible.countdown.tfl.gov.uk/
http://m.countdown.tfl.gov.uk/

But CAN be entered, javascript disabled or not, for :-
http://countdown.tfl.gov.uk/

Which I thought I had tested.

Also at this point I found myself doing the same thing and getting
different results, since after the search I at first got an automatic
switch to the 'accessible' URL but after I had saved bus stops this no
longer happened. It then showed the saved stops while denying there
were any.

Thanks anyway.

--
Mike D

Countdown Regenerated...
 

On Sep 9, 2:54*pm, "Michael R N Dolbear" wrote:
[...]
All three versions are doing something my Kindle's browser doesn't like
which result in nothing I type into the search box appearing, indeed
this is also true of the site search box which works fine on other TfL
pages.

Meanwhile the m-prefixed mobile version works fantastically well
(considering) on a pre-historic Nokia.