Just how easy is it to rewrite the rules? TfL and the Olympics
 

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...or-olympics.do

Even allowing for the sensationalist "anything to sell(or rather give
away) papers" oversimplification approach of the Evening Standard,can
this/should this be done?

Just how easy is it to rewrite the rules? TfL and the Olympics
 

On Nov 18, 2:42*pm, Mwmbwls wrote:
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...-drivers-rules...

Even allowing for the sensationalist "anything to sell(or rather give
away) papers" oversimplification approach of the Evening Standard,can
this/should this be done?

Hmmm.. one interesting part of the Standard's report is:
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"Reliability of the Jubilee line, the principal route linking central
London to the Olympic Stadium in Stratford, is causing most concern.

It is used by more than 600,000 passengers a day and has been blighted
by problems affecting its new signalling system. Last week tens of
thousands of passengers suffered delays after the computers
controlling the trains crashed.

Ms Dedring, 40, admitted that the Jubilee line could "still be a lot
better" as she spoke about the "healthy tension" between City Hall and
TfL.

She revealed the Mayor personally called bosses at Thales, the firm
operating the Jubilee line's signalling system, to rebuke them for
their performance."
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

So which company has so far been unable to resolve problems with the
new signalling on Manchester's Metrolink system? (with a suggestion
any openings planned for "December 2011" haven't a hope of
happening...) - well that would be Thales...
Maybe these guys should be taken out of tendering for any more work in
the UK until they start to deliver some reliable schemes?

Tony

Just how easy is it to rewrite the rules? TfL and the Olympics
 

On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 07:39:10 -0800 (PST)
Tony Miles wrote:
So which company has so far been unable to resolve problems with the
new signalling on Manchester's Metrolink system? (with a suggestion
any openings planned for "December 2011" haven't a hope of
happening...) - well that would be Thales...
Maybe these guys should be taken out of tendering for any more work in
the UK until they start to deliver some reliable schemes?

Given that this sort of system has been working fine on the DLR for years
you have to wonder whats so difficult about the jubilee line. Unless the
engineers at Thales are just 2nd rate.

B2003

Just how easy is it to rewrite the rules? TfL and the Olympics
 

Mwmbwls wrote:

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...or-olympics.do

Even allowing for the sensationalist "anything to sell(or rather give
away) papers" oversimplification approach of the Evening Standard,can
this/should this be done?


Bob Crow's reaction will be worth listening to.

Just how easy is it to rewrite the rules? TfL and the Olympics
 

On 18/11/2011 15:39, Tony Miles wrote:
On Nov 18, 2:42 pm, wrote:
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...-drivers-rules...

Even allowing for the sensationalist "anything to sell(or rather give
away) papers" oversimplification approach of the Evening Standard,can
this/should this be done?

Hmmm.. one interesting part of the Standard's report is:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Reliability of the Jubilee line, the principal route linking central
London to the Olympic Stadium in Stratford, is causing most concern.

Isn't there another line which is more, erm, Central?

It is used by more than 600,000 passengers a day and has been blighted
by problems affecting its new signalling system. Last week tens of
thousands of passengers suffered delays after the computers
controlling the trains crashed.

Ms Dedring, 40, admitted that the Jubilee line could "still be a lot
better" as she spoke about the "healthy tension" between City Hall and
TfL.

In other news, the Pope attended mass.

She revealed the Mayor personally called bosses at Thales, the firm
operating the Jubilee line's signalling system, to rebuke them for
their performance."
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

So which company has so far been unable to resolve problems with the
new signalling on Manchester's Metrolink system? (with a suggestion
any openings planned for "December 2011" haven't a hope of
happening...) - well that would be Thales...
Maybe these guys should be taken out of tendering for any more work in
the UK until they start to deliver some reliable schemes?

Is it the kind of industry where there are only a few potential
suppliers, and if you don't use one you pretty much have to use the other?


--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

Just how easy is it to rewrite the rules? TfL and the Olympics
 

On Nov 18, 4:39*pm, Tony Miles wrote:
On Nov 18, 2:42*pm, Mwmbwls wrote:

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...-drivers-rules...

Even allowing for the sensationalist "anything to sell(or rather give
away) papers" oversimplification approach of the Evening Standard,can
this/should this be done?

Hmmm.. one interesting part of the Standard's report is:
---------------------------------------------------------------------------*----

"Reliability of the Jubilee line, the principal route linking central
London to the Olympic Stadium in Stratford, is causing most concern.

It is used by more than 600,000 passengers a day and has been blighted
by problems affecting its new signalling system. Last week tens of
thousands of passengers suffered delays after the computers
controlling the trains crashed.

Ms Dedring, 40, admitted that the Jubilee line could "still be a lot
better" as she spoke about the "healthy tension" between City Hall and
TfL.

She revealed the Mayor personally called bosses at Thales, the firm
operating the Jubilee line's signalling system, to rebuke them for
their performance."
---------------------------------------------------------------------------*----

So which company has so far been unable to resolve problems with the
new signalling on Manchester's Metrolink system?

Why does a tram system need complicated signalling?

Just how easy is it to rewrite the rules? TfL and the Olympics
 

EE507 wrote:

Why does a tram system need complicated signalling?

In the US, they tend to be integrated with the standard traffic signals so that
the tram can be given priority at intersections and street traffic doesn't
impede or run into a tram vehicle.

Just how easy is it to rewrite the rules? TfL and the Olympics
 

In message , at 07:52:12 on
Sat, 19 Nov 2011, Robert Neville remarked:

Why does a tram system need complicated signalling?

In the US, they tend to be integrated with the standard traffic signals so that
the tram can be given priority at intersections and street traffic doesn't
impede or run into a tram vehicle.

Exactly like that in Nottingham.
--
Roland Perry

Just how easy is it to rewrite the rules? TfL and the Olympics
 

On Nov 19, 12:48*am, EE507 wrote:
On Nov 18, 4:39*pm, Tony Miles wrote:









On Nov 18, 2:42*pm, Mwmbwls wrote:

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...-drivers-rules....

Even allowing for the sensationalist "anything to sell(or rather give
away) papers" oversimplification approach of the Evening Standard,can
this/should this be done?

Hmmm.. one interesting part of the Standard's report is:
---------------------------------------------------------------------------*----

"Reliability of the Jubilee line, the principal route linking central
London to the Olympic Stadium in Stratford, is causing most concern.

It is used by more than 600,000 passengers a day and has been blighted
by problems affecting its new signalling system. Last week tens of
thousands of passengers suffered delays after the computers
controlling the trains crashed.

Ms Dedring, 40, admitted that the Jubilee line could "still be a lot
better" as she spoke about the "healthy tension" between City Hall and
TfL.

She revealed the Mayor personally called bosses at Thales, the firm
operating the Jubilee line's signalling system, to rebuke them for
their performance."
---------------------------------------------------------------------------*----

So which company has so far been unable to resolve problems with the
new signalling on Manchester's Metrolink system?

Why does a tram system need complicated signalling?

It needs to stop one tram crossing a junction if another is about to
cross it, to enure trams aren't running in opposite directions over a
piece of single track at the same time (both happened at the Media
City branch when the new signalling was switched on there...) and also
to ensure trams are directed onto the right branch at a junction. It
then needs to know which tram is which so that the real time displays
on platforms can tell passengers where the next tram(s) are going and
how long it will be til they arrive. Currently the Thales system in
Manchester is unable to do much of this basic stuff...

Tony

Just how easy is it to rewrite the rules? TfL and the Olympics
 

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at 07:52:12
on Sat, 19 Nov 2011, Robert Neville remarked:

Why does a tram system need complicated signalling?

In the US, they tend to be integrated with the standard traffic signals
so that the tram can be given priority at intersections and street
traffic doesn't impede or run into a tram vehicle.

Exactly like that in Nottingham.

And in the rest of the UK, surely?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Just how easy is it to rewrite the rules? TfL and the Olympics
 

On Nov 18, 2:42*pm, Mwmbwls wrote:
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...-drivers-rules...

Even allowing for the sensationalist "anything to sell(or rather give
away) papers" oversimplification approach of the Evening Standard,can
this/should this be done?

"Drivers will be told, under plans now being considered, not to follow
slavishly Transport for London guidelines that cause delays to
passengers" is a truly hideous sentence. Presumably theirs subs' desk
is not employing some old buffer with a bad grammar-school education
who believes that splitting an infinitive is such an egregious crime
that its prevention justifies anything, including ugliness and lack of
clarity. If you really, really are the last person alive who doesn't
realise that concerns about infinitive splitting are (a) a matter of
style rather than grammar and (b) mostly the product of silly
eighteenth century prescriptivists who believed English was just a
degenerate form of Latin in desperate need to restoration, then "not
slavishly to follow" is at least readable (although still ugly). But
what on earth led the sub to amend what was (almost certainly) the
journalist's original, and better, "not to slavishly follow" into the
dogs' dinner they published?

Pedants I don't mine. Pedants who mangle the language in pursuit of
pedantry that is of their own invention, they're a different thing.

ian

Just how easy is it to rewrite the rules? TfL and the Olympics
 

ian batten wrote:

Pedants I don't mine.


Mine or yours?

Just how easy is it to rewrite the rules? TfL and the Olympics
 

"ian batten" wrote

Pedants I don't mine.

So where do you dig them up from?
(Pedants say that you shouldn't use a preposition to end a sentence with.
;-) )

Peter

Just how easy is it to rewrite the rules? TfL and the Olympics
 

On Nov 21, 4:18*pm, "Peter Masson" wrote:
"ian batten" wrote

Pedants I don't mine.

Bloody OSX Lion (it silently corrects typing mistakes, rather than
highlighting them, so if you're in a hurry you don't notice that it's
corrected whatever you mis-typed).

So where do you dig them up from?
(Pedants say that you shouldn't use a preposition to end a sentence with.

Quite. Another bogus piece of "English as defective Latin" nonsense.

ian

Just how easy is it to rewrite the rules? TfL and the Olympics
 

On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 08:42:14 -0800 (PST), ian batten
wrote:

On Nov 21, 4:18*pm, "Peter Masson" wrote:
"ian batten" wrote

Pedants I don't mine.

Bloody OSX Lion (it silently corrects typing mistakes, rather than
highlighting them, so if you're in a hurry you don't notice that it's
corrected whatever you mis-typed).

Why don't you switch it off and use your fingers for the typos like
the rest of us di ?

So where do you dig them up from?
(Pedants say that you shouldn't use a preposition to end a sentence with.

Quite. Another bogus piece of "English as defective Latin" nonsense.

ian