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"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 10:55:55
on Thu, 29 Dec 2011, Graham Harrison
remarked:
"Journeys solely between Heathrow Terminals 123, Heathrow
Terminal 4 and Heathrow Terminal 5 will be free for all Oyster
card and Oyster photocard holders"

And how many airline passengers have Oyster cards? Maybe they
should install vending machines in the baggage reclaim areas.

Are you sure that's a real issue?

I don't think many of the travellers changing flights will bother
to queue up and get an Oyster card once they've reached the tube
station.

but why will the majority changing flight go land side in the first
place

How else do they change terminal?

Airside, using the free bus service/

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In message , Roland Perry
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And how many airline passengers have Oyster cards?

Quite a few I would imagine, given the number of people living in
Greater London who have them and who might well be flying out of
Heathrow.

They will be the least likely to change from one terminal site to
another, surely?

Suppose someone arrives by bus to the central terminal area, but has a
flight leaving from T5 or T1. They can use HEx and HCon, but the Tube is
more frequent, and the central Tube station is closer to the bus
station.

In message , at 06:33:27
on Thu, 29 Dec 2011, remarked:
but why will the majority changing flight go land side in the first place

How else do they change terminal?

By taking the airside transfer buses and using the infamous "Connections
Centre" to be re-screened.

Much fun for all the family at this stupidly long url:

http://www.heathrowairport.com/heath...-guide/flight-
connections/connection-guides/international-arrival/international-
departure

Where (eg) T4-T5 is timed at 105 minutes. No wonder some people think
going landside will be quicker.
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Roland Perry

"Matthew Dickinson" wrote in message
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One surprise in the 2012 fare revision is that the Piccadilly line
joins the Heathrow Free Travel Area.

See
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/20689....athrow-airport

"Journeys solely between Heathrow Terminals 123, Heathrow Terminal 4
and Heathrow Terminal 5 will be free for all Oyster card and Oyster
photocard holders"

OK, let's go back to square 1.

The majority of people transferring between flights at Heathrow will do so
airside. This means they won't go anywhere near any transport in the
Heathrow Free Travel Area. For those who do come landside the HeX/HC
trains are the prferred (by the airport authority) route. Yes, I know, the
underground is more frequent blah blah but by the time you've got hold of an
Oyster, used it for one inter terminal trip and then tried to get your
refund because you're not coming back to London how long is that going to
take?

In any case, I would suggest that the whole point of the free travel area
isn't aimed at passengers or even meeters and greeters but actually at
airport/airline staff.

In message , at 13:49:00 on
Thu, 29 Dec 2011, Paul Corfield remarked:
And how many airline passengers have Oyster cards?

Quite a few I would imagine, given the number of people living in
Greater London who have them and who might well be flying out of
Heathrow.

And the thousands and thousands of staff who work in and around
Heathrow.

Why are the staff taking trains from one terminal to another? If their
job requires moving around the airport I'd expect the employer to
provide an [airside] alternative.
--
Roland Perry

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 13:49:00 on
Thu, 29 Dec 2011, Paul Corfield remarked:
And how many airline passengers have Oyster cards?

Quite a few I would imagine, given the number of people living in
Greater London who have them and who might well be flying out of
Heathrow.

And the thousands and thousands of staff who work in and around
Heathrow.

Why are the staff taking trains from one terminal to another? If their job
requires moving around the airport I'd expect the employer to provide an
[airside] alternative.
--
Roland Perry

Not everyone has an airside pass. In fact, these days, they try and
restrict the number.

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They will be the least likely to change from one terminal site to another,
surely?

Not necessarily. People flying from T5 often get dropped off by car at
one of the other terminals to save the long haul out around the M25.
Then there are those who arrive by bus or coach who need to get from the
central bus station to their terminal. Then there's the people who know
how cheap long-stay parking is at T5 (less than 2 quid a day), but who
then need to get to a different terminal. Then, as Paul C points out,
there's the large number of Heathrow staff.
--
Paul Terry

In message , at 14:38:19 on
Thu, 29 Dec 2011, Graham Harrison
remarked:
And how many airline passengers have Oyster cards?

Quite a few I would imagine, given the number of people living in
Greater London who have them and who might well be flying out of
Heathrow.

And the thousands and thousands of staff who work in and around
Heathrow.

Why are the staff taking trains from one terminal to another? If
their job requires moving around the airport I'd expect the employer
to provide an [airside] alternative.

Not everyone has an airside pass. In fact, these days, they try and
restrict the number.

So this is landside staff who have jobs in multiple terminals. Seems
like a small subset, being that far away from anything airside (and most
airlines only have check-in staff in one terminal).
--
Roland Perry

On Thu, 29 Dec 2011 13:57:00 +0000, Roland Perry
wrote:
Why are the staff taking trains from one terminal to another? If
their
job requires moving around the airport I'd expect the employer to
provide an [airside] alternative.

Plenty of staff don't work airside. And they might arrive on a bus
to the central bus station and need to make a connection.

Not everyone going to/from LHR uses HEx or a taxi. I've always
thought the free travel zone was aimed at that.

Neil

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Neil Williams, Milton Keynes, UK

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 14:38:19 on Thu,
29 Dec 2011, Graham Harrison
remarked:
And how many airline passengers have Oyster cards?

Quite a few I would imagine, given the number of people living in
Greater London who have them and who might well be flying out of
Heathrow.

And the thousands and thousands of staff who work in and around
Heathrow.

Why are the staff taking trains from one terminal to another? If their
job requires moving around the airport I'd expect the employer to
provide an [airside] alternative.

Not everyone has an airside pass. In fact, these days, they try and
restrict the number.

So this is landside staff who have jobs in multiple terminals. Seems like
a small subset, being that far away from anything airside (and most
airlines only have check-in staff in one terminal).
--
Roland Perry

Not everyone works for an airline. Furthermore, some airlines use handling
agents whose staff work in multiple terminals. Then add in cargo staff who
may need to move from the Cargo terminal. Commuting staff getting from car
parks to places of work. There's a surprising amount of landside movement
among people who work at the airport.