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Whitechapel Station
Anyone know what the plans are for the District line platforms at
Whitechapel? There are two island platforms, originally numbered (I presume) 1 to 4. Plat 1 is the eastbound. The track has been lifted at plats 2 and 3 and the trackbed has been fenced off at both ends of the station. Plat 4 has been renumbered plat 2. This platform has been widened outwards so the track has been re-aligned. The old wooden canopy has been extended to the platform edge by a new modern canopy along its length, looks very odd! Just wondered what the space in the middle will be used for since the platforms have been renumbered. And what have they done to the front of the station. Didn't it have a proper canopy covering the full width of the front? Now it has a couple of small glass protrusions above the entrance, hardly giving any protection from the elements. Dave |
Whitechapel Station
"Paul Corfield" wrote in message
... On Wed, 16 May 2012 07:50:37 +0100, David wrote: Anyone know what the plans are for the District line platforms at Whitechapel? snipped Just wondered what the space in the middle will be used for since the platforms have been renumbered. I believe it will be used to provide an escalator link down to Crossrail as well as provide a much larger circulation area for passengers. The two current tracks are in their final positions, it will be the maximum size island platform that the space between the outer brick walls of the cutting will allow. Paul S |
Whitechapel Station
On Wed, 16 May 2012 08:29:12 +0100
Paul Corfield wrote: Just wondered what the space in the middle will be used for since the platforms have been renumbered. I believe it will be used to provide an escalator link down to Crossrail as well as provide a much larger circulation area for passengers. Are trains terminating at whitechapel history now? If so isn't that going to cause problems on the district when there are issues further up the line? B2003 |
Whitechapel Station
On Wed, 16 May 2012 11:03:51 +0100
Paul Corfield wrote: I believe there are also plans to take out the bay platform at Mansion House as part of the SSL resignalling project. That seems a bit shortsighted. LU does seem to have something against reversing sidings and crossovers when they're bloody useful when park of the line cocks up. B2003 |
Whitechapel Station
On Wed, 16 May 2012 08:29:12 +0100, Paul Corfield
wrote: On Wed, 16 May 2012 07:50:37 +0100, David wrote: Anyone know what the plans are for the District line platforms at Whitechapel? There are two island platforms, originally numbered (I presume) 1 to 4. Plat 1 is the eastbound. The track has been lifted at plats 2 and 3 and the trackbed has been fenced off at both ends of the station. Plat 4 has been renumbered plat 2. This platform has been widened outwards so the track has been re-aligned. The old wooden canopy has been extended to the platform edge by a new modern canopy along its length, looks very odd! Just wondered what the space in the middle will be used for since the platforms have been renumbered. I believe it will be used to provide an escalator link down to Crossrail as well as provide a much larger circulation area for passengers. There are some limited plans on the Crossrail website. http://www.crossrail.co.uk/route/sta...hapel/#content http://www.crossrail.co.uk/route/sta...echapel/design It's all clear now, I'd forgotten that Crossrail was stopping there. Dave |
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Whitechapel Station
On 16/05/2012 09:07, Paul Scott wrote:
"Paul Corfield" wrote in message ... On Wed, 16 May 2012 07:50:37 +0100, David wrote: Anyone know what the plans are for the District line platforms at Whitechapel? snipped Just wondered what the space in the middle will be used for since the platforms have been renumbered. I believe it will be used to provide an escalator link down to Crossrail as well as provide a much larger circulation area for passengers. The two current tracks are in their final positions, it will be the maximum size island platform that the space between the outer brick walls of the cutting will allow. Paul S I also notice that they have converted the signals in that area from automatic to semi-automatic, or floodgate signals, as they are called on the Northern Line. Why is that? The semi-automatics on the eastbound track start just around near the old St. Mary's Junction and end just east of Whitechapel, about where the begin on the westbound track. The westbound semi-automatics seem to end at the starter on the westbound track. |
Whitechapel Station
On 16/05/2012 11:03, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 09:30:33 +0000 (UTC), d wrote: On Wed, 16 May 2012 08:29:12 +0100 Paul wrote: Just wondered what the space in the middle will be used for since the platforms have been renumbered. I believe it will be used to provide an escalator link down to Crossrail as well as provide a much larger circulation area for passengers. Are trains terminating at whitechapel history now? If so isn't that going to cause problems on the district when there are issues further up the line? Yes, no terminators at Whitechapel. The new turnback sidings are at West Ham. I believe there are also plans to take out the bay platform at Mansion House as part of the SSL resignalling project. Are there many terminators at Mansion House? I think that there are not many. What are the plans for Tower Hill's bay platform, BTW. |
Whitechapel Station
On 16/05/2012 22:52, Steve Fitzgerald wrote:
In message , " writes I believe it will be used to provide an escalator link down to Crossrail as well as provide a much larger circulation area for passengers. The two current tracks are in their final positions, it will be the maximum size island platform that the space between the outer brick walls of the cutting will allow. Paul S I also notice that they have converted the signals in that area from automatic to semi-automatic, or floodgate signals, as they are called on the Northern Line. Why is that? Not floodgate signals at all. Semi-automatic (controlled) signals which are to be treated as automatic in certain circumstances. When the points are proved secured, the signal cabin can be put into King (the King lever is thrown) and worked as through running. Just going on what they call them on the Northern Line, though yes, they are semi-automatic. The illuminated A under the signal itself indicates that they are in automatic mode. |
Whitechapel Station
On 16/05/2012 22:54, Steve Fitzgerald wrote:
In message , " writes I believe there are also plans to take out the bay platform at Mansion House as part of the SSL resignalling project. There are new reversing crossovers at the east and west ends of the platforms. One has to do a 'main line shunt' now and as this causes delays to the following trains is only used in degraded conditions. I saw markers on the eastbound track between Stepney Green and Whitechapel, actually. One marker had C/R written on it, while the other had D/R. C stock and D stock reversing points. Is that why they installed semi-automatic signals in the area, then? Nope, they were always semis Of all the previous times that I have been there, it was only recently that I saw the lights with the illuminated A, both on westbound and eastbound tracks. The draw-up signal on the eastbound track is still working, I note. |
Whitechapel Station
On 17/05/2012 01:06, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 22:19:36 +0100, " wrote: On 16/05/2012 11:03, Paul Corfield wrote: I believe there are also plans to take out the bay platform at Mansion House as part of the SSL resignalling project. Are there many terminators at Mansion House? I think that there are not many. I didn't think so. I have seen a couple of booked services that way, though it is rare. |
Whitechapel Station
On 17/05/2012 08:06, Steve Fitzgerald wrote:
In message , " writes I also notice that they have converted the signals in that area from automatic to semi-automatic, or floodgate signals, as they are called on the Northern Line. Why is that? Not floodgate signals at all. Semi-automatic (controlled) signals which are to be treated as automatic in certain circumstances. When the points are proved secured, the signal cabin can be put into King (the King lever is thrown) and worked as through running. Just going on what they call them on the Northern Line, though yes, they are semi-automatic. The illuminated A under the signal itself indicates that they are in automatic mode. Illuminated As are generally used on floodgate signals on the Northern, Picc and District that I know of but not exclusively. I've seen the illuminated As at Waterloo northbound on the Northern and at Russell Square on westbound track. If the signals were earlier semi-automatic at Whitechapel, then why did they just install illuminated As now? |
Whitechapel Station
On 17/05/2012 08:10, Steve Fitzgerald wrote:
In message , " writes On 17/05/2012 01:06, Paul Corfield wrote: I believe there are also plans to take out the bay platform at Mansion House as part of the SSL resignalling project. Are there many terminators at Mansion House? I think that there are not many. I didn't think so. I have seen a couple of booked services that way, though it is rare. Generally booked Towers running late. I don't think there are any trains timetabled to reverse there. I took a C stock there once being diverted from Edgware Road when they had problems there. I've seen one or two Mansion House terminators in the past year or so. |
Whitechapel Station
On 17/05/2012 18:59, Steve Fitzgerald wrote:
In message , " writes Not floodgate signals at all. Semi-automatic (controlled) signals which are to be treated as automatic in certain circumstances. When the points are proved secured, the signal cabin can be put into King (the King lever is thrown) and worked as through running. Just going on what they call them on the Northern Line, though yes, they are semi-automatic. The illuminated A under the signal itself indicates that they are in automatic mode. Illuminated As are generally used on floodgate signals on the Northern, Picc and District that I know of but not exclusively. I've seen the illuminated As at Waterloo northbound on the Northern and at Russell Square on westbound track. If the signals were earlier semi-automatic at Whitechapel, then why did they just install illuminated As now? The area has been totally re-signalled with the work to remove the centre tracks. There are no longer any booked reversers at Whitechapel so there is no need to keep the signal cabin manned. When it is switched out and the As are illuminated, trains can be authorised past failing signals by the rulebook under failure conditions without the need for someone to go on the track and secure the points and then be authorised by the signaller. If the points are not secured the As won't illuminate. What gave an indication earlier that the Whitechapel signals were semi-automatic, if they didn't have the illuminated As? |
Whitechapel Station
In message , "
wrote: I also notice that they have converted the signals in that area from automatic to semi-automatic, or floodgate signals, as they are called on the Northern Line. Why is that? Not floodgate signals at all. Just going on what they call them on the Northern Line, Floodgate signals all have an F and an X in the number; e.g. FNX78 at Leicester Square northbound. The X indicates that they have to be treated as controlled and can't be passed under the Rule. There are other X signals (e.g. CX81 at Leicester Square southbound) that are so-numbered for train management or signalling purposes even though they actually work automatically. though yes, they are semi-automatic. The illuminated A under the signal itself indicates that they are in automatic mode. LU uses the term "semi-automatic" to mean what everyone else calls "controlled", because they return to red behind a train even if the controlling lever is reversed and because they'll clear again without the lever being re-stroked. The ones with an illuminatible A are "semi-automatic that can work automatically". -- Clive D.W. Feather | Home: Mobile: +44 7973 377646 | Web: http://www.davros.org Please reply to the Reply-To address, which is: |
Whitechapel Station
On May 19, 8:21*am, "Clive D. W. Feather" wrote:
In message , " wrote: I also notice that they have converted the signals in that area from automatic to semi-automatic, or floodgate signals, as they are called on the Northern Line. Why is that? Not floodgate signals at all. Just going on what they call them on the Northern Line, Floodgate signals all have an F and an X in the number; e.g. FNX78 at Leicester Square northbound. The X indicates that they have to be treated as controlled and can't be passed under the Rule. There are other X signals (e.g. CX81 at Leicester Square southbound) that are so-numbered for train management or signalling purposes even though they actually work automatically. though yes, they are semi-automatic. The illuminated A under the signal itself indicates that they are in automatic mode. LU uses the term "semi-automatic" to mean what everyone else calls "controlled", because they return to red behind a train even if the controlling lever is reversed and because they'll clear again without the lever being re-stroked. The ones with an illuminatible A are "semi-automatic that can work automatically". -- Clive D.W. Feather * * * * * * * * *| Home: Mobile: +44 7973 377646 * * * * * * | Web: *http://www.davros.org Please reply to the Reply-To address, which is: I once read about a plan to turn Whitechapel into a Golders Green/ White City/Loughton/Arnos Grove type station with a central bi- directional track. I guess that's ancient history? |
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