TfL are carrying out extensive work on the Hammersmith & City
platforms at Paddington Station. The work is sad on two counts.
Firstly NR and TfL have again failed to move the H&C service back to
platforms 14 and 15. Along with a single lead NR track in from Subway
Junction, to platform 16, this would allow same direction cross-
platform interchange.

Moreover, TfL are replacing the canopy over platforms 15 and 16. The
new canopy is not in the Standard Great Western style. Thus the
overall uniform appearance of Paddington Station is being marred.

On May 21, 2:31*pm, 77002 wrote:
TfL are carrying out extensive work on the Hammersmith & City
platforms at Paddington Station. *The work is sad on two counts.
Firstly NR and TfL have again failed to move the H&C service back to
platforms 14 and 15. *Along with a single lead NR track in from Subway
Junction, to platform 16, this would allow same direction cross-
platform interchange.

Surely the NR platforms are all terminus platforms, in which case even
with the layout you propose, 50% of the time they would be opposite
direction cross platform interchanges, which aren't any improvement on
what we have today.

Robin

On May 21, 3:26*pm, bob wrote:
On May 21, 2:31*pm, 77002 wrote:

TfL are carrying out extensive work on the Hammersmith & City
platforms at Paddington Station. *The work is sad on two counts.
Firstly NR and TfL have again failed to move the H&C service back to
platforms 14 and 15. *Along with a single lead NR track in from Subway
Junction, to platform 16, this would allow same direction cross-
platform interchange.

Surely the NR platforms are all terminus platforms, in which case even
with the layout you propose, 50% of the time they would be opposite
direction cross platform interchanges, which aren't any improvement on
what we have today.

You are correct, terminating trains would only be same direction half
of the time. However, I believe that is an improvement on the no
cross platform interchange that we have today.

"77002" wrote in message
...
TfL are carrying out extensive work on the Hammersmith & City
platforms at Paddington Station. The work is sad on two counts.
Firstly NR and TfL have again failed to move the H&C service back to
platforms 14 and 15. Along with a single lead NR track in from Subway
Junction, to platform 16, this would allow same direction cross-
platform interchange.

What is worth doing depends on the eventual Crossrail service. If, as is
likely, Crossrail is extended to Reading (and especially if it is also
extended to Reading via Heathrow) there aren't likely to be any Relief Line
trains from Paddington terminus. It would then be better to abolish
platforms 13 and 14, and extend 12 to full length (also allowing access to
12 with a full length train in 11). Is there any scope for making 12 an
island, after the style of Kings Cross platform 0?

Peter

"Peter Masson" wrote in message
...

What is worth doing depends on the eventual Crossrail service. If, as is
likely, Crossrail is extended to Reading (and especially if it is also
extended to Reading via Heathrow) there aren't likely to be any Relief
Line trains from Paddington terminus. It would then be better to abolish
platforms 13 and 14, and extend 12 to full length (also allowing access to
12 with a full length train in 11). Is there any scope for making 12 an
island, after the style of Kings Cross platform 0?

AFAIAA they are going to convert P12/P13 into a full length platform, but I
haven't seen it in anything official yet. With P14 then ending up as the
only short platform. As you suggest, with most of the relief service
diverted to Crossrail, and the Greenfords removed, and electrification
allowing for EMUs (probably in multiple so 8 car) covering the remaining
semi-fast services, there is hardly any practical advantage to the OP's
proposal.

Paul S

On 21 Mai, 18:12, "Paul Scott" wrote:

AFAIAA they are going to convert P12/P13 into a full length platform, but I
haven't seen it in anything official yet. *With P14 then ending up as the
only short platform. *As you suggest, with most of the relief service
diverted to Crossrail, and the Greenfords removed, and electrification
allowing for EMUs (probably in multiple so 8 car) covering the remaining
semi-fast services, there is hardly any practical advantage to the OP's
proposal.

Paul S


What is happening to the Greenfords? Are these also using Crossrail?
What terminating seices (if any) are likely to remain that use the
relief lines?

On another note, where precisely will Crosrail join the GWML? On the
relief line side or on the main?

On Jun 11, 3:24*pm, amogles wrote:
On 21 Mai, 18:12, "Paul Scott" wrote:



AFAIAA they are going to convert P12/P13 into a full length platform, but I
haven't seen it in anything official yet. *With P14 then ending up as the
only short platform. *As you suggest, with most of the relief service
diverted to Crossrail, and the Greenfords removed, and electrification
allowing for EMUs (probably in multiple so 8 car) covering the remaining
semi-fast services, there is hardly any practical advantage to the OP's
proposal.

Paul S

What is happening to the Greenfords? Are these also using Crossrail?
What terminating seices (if any) are likely to remain that use the
relief lines?

On another note, where precisely will Crosrail join the GWML? On the
relief line side or on the main?

On the relief side, utilizing a flat junction. My best guess is that
it will be somewhat west of Royal Oak station. But that is based on
the hoardings there at the moment.

On Jun 11, 3:24*pm, amogles wrote:
On 21 Mai, 18:12, "Paul Scott" wrote:



AFAIAA they are going to convert P12/P13 into a full length platform, but I
haven't seen it in anything official yet. *With P14 then ending up as the
only short platform. *As you suggest, with most of the relief service
diverted to Crossrail, and the Greenfords removed, and electrification
allowing for EMUs (probably in multiple so 8 car) covering the remaining
semi-fast services, there is hardly any practical advantage to the OP's
proposal.

Paul S

What is happening to the Greenfords? Are these also using Crossrail?
What terminating seices (if any) are likely to remain that use the
relief lines?

AFIK, the Greenford trains will no longer run thru to Paddington.

"77002" wrote

AFIK, the Greenford trains will no longer run thru to Paddington.

The proposal is for the Greenfords to run as a Greenford - West Ealing
shuttle, using a new Bay at West Ealing, and not conflicting with the Relief
Lines at all.

One missing link is Willesden Junction to Ealing Broadway - is there a case
for extending Barking to Gospel Oak trains to Greenford?

Peter

On May 21, 1:31*pm, 77002 wrote:
TfL are carrying out extensive work on the Hammersmith & City
platforms at Paddington Station. *The work is sad on two counts.
Firstly NR and TfL have again failed to move the H&C service back to
platforms 14 and 15. *Along with a single lead NR track in from Subway
Junction, to platform 16, this would allow same direction cross-
platform interchange.
And fare evasion. It would allow fare evasion.