TfL are carrying out extensive work on the Hammersmith & City
platforms at Paddington Station. The work is sad on two counts.
Firstly NR and TfL have again failed to move the H&C service back to
platforms 14 and 15. Along with a single lead NR track in from Subway
Junction, to platform 16, this would allow same direction cross-
platform interchange.

Moreover, TfL are replacing the canopy over platforms 15 and 16. The
new canopy is not in the Standard Great Western style. Thus the
overall uniform appearance of Paddington Station is being marred.

On May 21, 2:31*pm, 77002 wrote:
TfL are carrying out extensive work on the Hammersmith & City
platforms at Paddington Station. *The work is sad on two counts.
Firstly NR and TfL have again failed to move the H&C service back to
platforms 14 and 15. *Along with a single lead NR track in from Subway
Junction, to platform 16, this would allow same direction cross-
platform interchange.

Surely the NR platforms are all terminus platforms, in which case even
with the layout you propose, 50% of the time they would be opposite
direction cross platform interchanges, which aren't any improvement on
what we have today.

Robin

On May 21, 3:26*pm, bob wrote:
On May 21, 2:31*pm, 77002 wrote:

TfL are carrying out extensive work on the Hammersmith & City
platforms at Paddington Station. *The work is sad on two counts.
Firstly NR and TfL have again failed to move the H&C service back to
platforms 14 and 15. *Along with a single lead NR track in from Subway
Junction, to platform 16, this would allow same direction cross-
platform interchange.

Surely the NR platforms are all terminus platforms, in which case even
with the layout you propose, 50% of the time they would be opposite
direction cross platform interchanges, which aren't any improvement on
what we have today.

You are correct, terminating trains would only be same direction half
of the time. However, I believe that is an improvement on the no
cross platform interchange that we have today.

"77002" wrote in message
...
TfL are carrying out extensive work on the Hammersmith & City
platforms at Paddington Station. The work is sad on two counts.
Firstly NR and TfL have again failed to move the H&C service back to
platforms 14 and 15. Along with a single lead NR track in from Subway
Junction, to platform 16, this would allow same direction cross-
platform interchange.

What is worth doing depends on the eventual Crossrail service. If, as is
likely, Crossrail is extended to Reading (and especially if it is also
extended to Reading via Heathrow) there aren't likely to be any Relief Line
trains from Paddington terminus. It would then be better to abolish
platforms 13 and 14, and extend 12 to full length (also allowing access to
12 with a full length train in 11). Is there any scope for making 12 an
island, after the style of Kings Cross platform 0?

Peter

"Peter Masson" wrote in message
...

What is worth doing depends on the eventual Crossrail service. If, as is
likely, Crossrail is extended to Reading (and especially if it is also
extended to Reading via Heathrow) there aren't likely to be any Relief
Line trains from Paddington terminus. It would then be better to abolish
platforms 13 and 14, and extend 12 to full length (also allowing access to
12 with a full length train in 11). Is there any scope for making 12 an
island, after the style of Kings Cross platform 0?

AFAIAA they are going to convert P12/P13 into a full length platform, but I
haven't seen it in anything official yet. With P14 then ending up as the
only short platform. As you suggest, with most of the relief service
diverted to Crossrail, and the Greenfords removed, and electrification
allowing for EMUs (probably in multiple so 8 car) covering the remaining
semi-fast services, there is hardly any practical advantage to the OP's
proposal.

Paul S

On May 21, 1:31*pm, 77002 wrote:
TfL are carrying out extensive work on the Hammersmith & City
platforms at Paddington Station. *The work is sad on two counts.
Firstly NR and TfL have again failed to move the H&C service back to
platforms 14 and 15. *Along with a single lead NR track in from Subway
Junction, to platform 16, this would allow same direction cross-
platform interchange.
And fare evasion. It would allow fare evasion.

On Jun 8, 3:04*pm, lonelytraveller
wrote:
On May 21, 1:31*pm, 77002 wrote: TfL are carrying out extensive work on the Hammersmith & City
platforms at Paddington Station. *The work is sad on two counts.
Firstly NR and TfL have again failed to move the H&C service back to
platforms 14 and 15. *Along with a single lead NR track in from Subway
Junction, to platform 16, this would allow same direction cross-
platform interchange.

And fare evasion. It would allow fare evasion.

There are many stations where platforms are shared by New Southern
Railway (Just love that name) and Southwest Trains. These train
companies do not seem to cope.

On Jun 8, 3:31*pm, 77002 wrote:
On Jun 8, 3:04*pm, lonelytraveller

wrote:
On May 21, 1:31*pm, 77002 wrote: TfL are carrying out extensive work on the Hammersmith & City
platforms at Paddington Station. *The work is sad on two counts.
Firstly NR and TfL have again failed to move the H&C service back to
platforms 14 and 15. *Along with a single lead NR track in from Subway
Junction, to platform 16, this would allow same direction cross-
platform interchange.

And fare evasion. It would allow fare evasion.

There are many stations where platforms are shared by New Southern
Railway (Just love that name) and Southwest Trains. *These train
companies do not seem to cope.

Let me re-phrase that: These train companies seem to cope. To wit,
they are not overly concerned that sharing platforms increases the
risk of fare evasion.

On Jun 8, 3:40*pm, 77002 wrote:
On Jun 8, 3:31*pm, 77002 wrote:

On Jun 8, 3:04*pm, lonelytraveller

wrote:
On May 21, 1:31*pm, 77002 wrote: TfL are carrying out extensive work on the Hammersmith & City
platforms at Paddington Station. *The work is sad on two counts.
Firstly NR and TfL have again failed to move the H&C service back to
platforms 14 and 15. *Along with a single lead NR track in from Subway
Junction, to platform 16, this would allow same direction cross-
platform interchange.


The restrictions on platform 12 are the congestion at peak times and
the opposing flows of humanity.

Platform 12 is largely obstructed by:

* The angular gateline which is totally inadequate during the rush
hour - in both directions
* The flow of commuters to/from platforms 13/14 and the main concourse
* The flow of commuters / tourists to/from the HConn on 12
* The flow of tourists with luggage to/from the escalators and lifts
for the taxi rank and the main concourse
* The obstructions from the trip carpets soaking up the drips from the
leaking roof together with strategically placed drip collecting
buckets
* Commuters waiting at the departure board at the head of platform 12
to see if the HConn. really will depart from 12
* Tourists stopping at the head of 12 to browse the various maps
* Passengers using the ATM at the head of 12, also the coffee bar and
pasty shops
* Obstructions by various sandwich boards apologising for all of the
disruption
* The ever increasing girth of the dividing fence running the length
of 12

Eventually access to 15/16 will be via the new canal-side entrance,
but this will require a trek round the back of Paddington so this will
not reduce the flow to/from 12/13/14 and the main concourse.

CJB.

On Jun 9, 12:47*am, Neil Williams
wrote:
77002 wrote:
There are many stations where platforms are shared by New Southern
Railway (Just love that name) and Southwest Trains. *These train
companies do not seem to cope.

Let me re-phrase that: These train companies seem to cope. *To wit,
they are not overly concerned that sharing platforms increases the
risk of fare evasion.

For fares purposes, the National Rail TOCs are effectively one
organisation.

And TfL cannot be brung into this happy family because?