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Didn't it all go rather well?
The transport arrangements specifically (more below) but generally it was superb, wasn't it? I remember posts here from 2005-2008 where a large number opined that the task was impossible, the venues would never be completed on time and various events would need to be outsourced to France. Indeed, unless my memory is failing me a narrow majority predicted some kind of disaster. The budgets, inevitably, were and are full of smoke and mirrors, with some pretty horrific gross sums being bandied around that conveniently ignore present and future tangible benefits, let alone the intangible. So very much like the question of our EU membership then, but with added happiness and without a camp song contest to endure. Given the hundreds of millions watching worldwide, there will surely be a large number who add London/Britain to their 'bucket lists' off the back of what they've seen. They may not visit this year or next, but visit they will, and surely that's a big win - investing to maintain London's aura and reputation as one of the top five world cities. And of course, at a commercial level we have demonstrated we can deliver, in all respects, and there must be great value in a reputation as a reliable counter-party when contracts are let. But all of this is impossible to quantify. The venues and park looked wonderful without exception, and I was reminded - during the road cycling - of the beauty of the Surrey Hills. Turning to transport, this appears to have been impeccably executed. Rather ignoring general guidance I continued with my daily commute up from East Coastway to zone 1, and loadings were fairly typical for the school holidays but with Olympic-going family groups replacing civil servants and others working from home. The volunteers (and transport employees) manning every station and almost every significant road junction did a great job, and the atmosphere was like nothing we have seen before or are likely to see again, regrettably. (Contrary to my preconceptions of what would happen, Southern actually tightened up enforcement of First Class, with RPIs checking tickets between London and East Croydon on three days of the eight I travelled, and throwing out a group for having Standard tickets, or for being visibly French, or both. Had they sold lots of FC Olypmic tickets and wished to avoid complaints?) On the roads, my bus trips (Ludgate Circus to London Bridge, generally) were barely impacted, and expectation management allowed the capital to work around the ORN. Regarding the ORN, Stagecoach had pulled in vehicles from far afield to service the media and other participants, with some Fife buses seen plus a few from Eastbourne not on the usual run to 'Willingdon - Trees' that I'm familiar with. I did note that many of these buses seemed to have only two or three pax on board which seemed a bit of a waste, although perhaps some were basically 'ECS' runs, and had been busy in the other direction. Would October be a good time to buy a lightly used BMW 320d? Generally the ORN was getting more use than I expected, but no ZILs to be spotted. I gather from t'internet and Twitter that many TOCs went to some lengths to ensure last trains/connections were delayed to accommodate over-running events, and locally my branch connection at Lewes was held on a couple of occasions where in other circumstances it would have been waved away. A third class 460 (007) was re-deployed on GatEx to enable doubling-up of 442 worked services. Will there ever be enough serviceable 442s to see-off the 460s permanently from the Brighton mainline? I avoided the Tube as far as possible but didn't hear any horror stories, even from the Jubilee line which I had thought would prove a weak link, as it does for most of the year. I read this morning (Sunday Times) that the Aussies actually had more state funding in place for their Olympic team than we did, which casts new glory on our spectacular medal achievements. And well done John Major for the National Lottery and the support that has bought for our teams - another proposition that was ridiculed by the sceptics at the time, of course. The newspaper also reminded me that the advice of civil servants to Tessa Jowell back in 2002 was not to put in a bid. Can we imagine any circumstances in which the civil service (upper echelons) would favour doing anything that might involve a bit of risk or some extra work? Well, he gets a very bad press although I've always admired him (much better than both successors), so well done to Tony Blair (and Dame Tessa) for over-ruling the do-nothing 'management of decline' merchants and mounting a successful bid that started it all. One of my biggest regrets is that I persuaded myself that short term issues at work and home would make volunteering too much of a challenge. Looking back at what others have done over the last few weeks, from the strange magic of the Torch Relay to the army (and the real army....) of smartly dressed helpers all over London, I realise how pathetic that was and is, and that I too was amongst the do-nothing brigade. And aside from the great joy at our national success, I suppose that's the lesson I'll take away from London 2012. I'm sure there are many on here who did volunteer, or who worked long hours in planning the transport arrangements, so well done to you all - it was brilliant. Chris |
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"Chris Read" wrote in message
... The transport arrangements specifically (more below) but generally it was superb, wasn't it? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I agree. We did get exceptionally lucky with the weather though. The one blot was the awful "empty seats". The IOC need to sort this out (IMHO National Associations should "use them or lose them", in following games, as "on the day" is impractical), but with a (what I suspect is an increasing) trend to award major events to developing countries that are difficult for long distance tourists to attend we are going to see stadia filled by giving tickets away (Beijing style) than from genuine local demand. tim |
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In message , at 18:32:48 on Sun, 12 Aug
2012, tim..... remarked: The one blot was the awful "empty seats". There were lots of empty seats visible towards the end of the Closing Ceremony. Was that people leaving to catch the last train home, or was it like that all the way through? -- Roland Perry |
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In article , Roland Perry
scribeth thus In message , at 18:32:48 on Sun, 12 Aug 2012, tim..... remarked: The one blot was the awful "empty seats". There were lots of empty seats visible towards the end of the Closing Ceremony. Was that people leaving to catch the last train home, or was it like that all the way through? For various reasons I wasn't able to see the end on TV but it would indeed be very surprising if there were deliberate empty seats. If I'd have been able to get a seat, thats assuming that they weren't out of this world priced, I'd have gone and I'm not that interested in sport but seeing it was for a lot a once in a lifetime event?.. Still London you did very well with it came to it in fact It seems that we're having an end of party blues today and I'd never though I'd say this but I reckon we'll miss it now its over!". It's overall been very enjoyable.... -- Tony Sayer |
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"tony sayer" wrote in message ...
In article , Roland Perry scribeth thus In message , at 18:32:48 on Sun, 12 Aug 2012, tim..... remarked: The one blot was the awful "empty seats". There were lots of empty seats visible towards the end of the Closing Ceremony. Was that people leaving to catch the last train home, or was it like that all the way through? For various reasons I wasn't able to see the end on TV but it would indeed be very surprising if there were deliberate empty seats. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Apart from the tiny percentage of people who, for whatever reason [1], can't make it on the day having bought a ticket. The main reason for the empty seats is that a large percentage are given away free to sponsors and national (as in "other nations") Olympic and sports organisations. Of course, if you are offered a free seat you don't think too hard about how you might use it, so you say yes even if you do have no real use for it. Like I said in my first post. These people should be told "once having taken it, you use it or you done get offered it again" (for all future games). tim [1] the like stupid pillock who drove 200 miles to opening ceremony to find that they had left their tickets at home - ouch |
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On 2012\08\13 09:58, tim..... wrote:
The main reason for the empty seats is that a large percentage are given away free to sponsors and national (as in "other nations") Olympic and sports organisations. Of course, if you are offered a free seat you don't think too hard about how you might use it, so you say yes even if you do have no real use for it. Like I said in my first post. These people should be told "once having taken it, you use it or you done get offered it again" (for all future games). I met one of the "Olympic Family" who had use of the free BMW "taxis"... his reason for being one of the lucky few was that he used to work for the IOC until 12 years ago. Nice enough guy, but it's appalling that the road network of an entire city was completely buggered up just to let people who used to work for the IOC in the last millennium whizz about. In particular, all four routes south from the Trafalgar Square area have been shut to cars and taxis from 6am to midnight every day, meaning anyone trying to get from the west end to most of south London faces an impenetrable two-mile east-west scar in London's road network from Hyde Park Corner to the eastern end of Aldwych. To help visualise this, you can't cross the blue line in this map in a southward direction (apart from a few unimportant culs-de-sac) that don't help you get to south London). http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?saddr=...via=1&t=m&z=14 I wonder what Lord Nelson thinks as he looks down from his column at what is being wreaked upon the British by our own government just to help foreigners whizz about our capital. |
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The main reason for the empty seats is that a large percentage are given away free to sponsors and national (as in "other nations") Olympic and sports organisations. The various sporting associations are allocated seats so their officials (mostly volunteers) and competitors can get to see some of the Olympics as well. Obviously, at the start of the games, many of those are still busy with their own events but, as the games progress and many of the early events are concluded, they can find time to take in the rest of the games and the problem of empty seats is then lessened. |
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On Aug 13, 10:43*am, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 08:26:41 +0100, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 18:32:48 on Sun, 12 Aug 2012, tim..... remarked: The one blot was the awful "empty seats". There were lots of empty seats visible towards the end of the Closing Ceremony. Was that people leaving to catch the last train home, or was it like that all the way through? Given the BBC were assuming it would be finished by 2315 and it actually finished about midnight I am not entirely surprised some people were nervous about last trains given ti was Sunday service. There was a TfL Travel Alert to advise Tube, DLR and Overground services would run later with times of last departures. I didn't see an equivalent notice from National Rail. -- Paul C I caught the last 45 minutes or so on the BBC website; it was just about 00:20 when coverage closed but I think events in the stadium may have finished a minute or two earlier. |
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On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 05:58:33 -0700 (PDT), Stephen Furley
wrote: On Aug 13, 10:43*am, Paul Corfield wrote: On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 08:26:41 +0100, Roland Perry wrote: In message , at 18:32:48 on Sun, 12 Aug 2012, tim..... remarked: The one blot was the awful "empty seats". There were lots of empty seats visible towards the end of the Closing Ceremony. Was that people leaving to catch the last train home, or was it like that all the way through? Given the BBC were assuming it would be finished by 2315 and it actually finished about midnight I am not entirely surprised some people were nervous about last trains given ti was Sunday service. There was a TfL Travel Alert to advise Tube, DLR and Overground services would run later with times of last departures. I didn't see an equivalent notice from National Rail. -- Paul C I caught the last 45 minutes or so on the BBC website; it was just about 00:20 when coverage closed but I think events in the stadium may have finished a minute or two earlier. Yes, it over-ran quite a bit, just like the opening. Apparently the main delay with the closing ceremony is that the thousands of athletes took much longer to file into the stadium than anticipated -- they were gazing around the stadium and taking pictures while dawdling along, instead of the brisk jog that the organisers had perhaps expected of athletes. |
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In message , at 14:20:46 on
Mon, 13 Aug 2012, Recliner remarked: Apparently the main delay with the closing ceremony is that the thousands of athletes took much longer to file into the stadium than anticipated No-one involved in the ceremony seemed to have any ID showing. Did they have some sort of screening that assumed that once people were judged safe to be inside the perimeter, you could trust them to behave themselves where they went afterwards? -- Roland Perry |
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