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shock, horror: few commuters using dangleway
It's being reported that, post-Olympics, not many people are using the
Thames cable car, and almost all of them appear to be tourists, not commuters. Hardly surprising as not many people need to commute from not-quite-the-O2 to not-quite-The Excel. I suppose there will be more tourists using it from next Spring, when the weather's brighter and there's more of them around. Quote: Since the Olympics the £60m service, which operates between the 02 and the Excel Centre, has been running at less than 10% capacity, the figures show. Transport for London said it was early days and it remained optimistic commuter numbers would increase. Mayor Boris Johnson opened the Emirates Air Line in June ready for the start of the Olympics in July and so far 1.5 million trips have been made. Since the end of the Games in September 400,000 journeys have been made but of those only 1,400 were discounted commuter fares, which are 10 for £1.60. This accounts for 0.01% of all trips since the end of the Games. -- End quote Full story: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-20356251 |
shock, horror: few commuters using dangleway
On 2012\11\16 21:29, Recliner wrote:
It's being reported that, post-Olympics, not many people are using the Thames cable car, and almost all of them appear to be tourists, not commuters. Hardly surprising as not many people need to commute from not-quite-the-O2 to not-quite-The Excel. I suppose there will be more tourists using it from next Spring, when the weather's brighter and there's more of them around. Quote: Since the Olympics the £60m service, which operates between the 02 and the Excel Centre, has been running at less than 10% capacity, the figures show. Transport for London said it was early days and it remained optimistic commuter numbers would increase. Mayor Boris Johnson opened the Emirates Air Line in June ready for the start of the Olympics in July and so far 1.5 million trips have been made. Since the end of the Games in September 400,000 journeys have been made but of those only 1,400 were discounted commuter fares, which are 10 for £1.60. This accounts for 0.01% of all trips since the end of the Games. -- End quote Full story: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-20356251 I think anyone with a monthly or longer travelcard season should be allowed to use it free, that way the tourists would still have to pay. |
shock, horror: few commuters using dangleway
Basil Jet wrote:
I think anyone with a monthly or longer travelcard season should be allowed to use it free, that way the tourists would still have to pay. I think anyone with a Travelcard or Oyster cap should be able to use it, it's public transport. Just set a high Oyster single fare, and a punitive cash fare per the Tube. Neil -- Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK. Put first name before the at to reply. |
shock, horror: few commuters using dangleway
Neil Williams wrote:
Basil Jet wrote: I think anyone with a monthly or longer travelcard season should be allowed to use it free, that way the tourists would still have to pay. I think anyone with a Travelcard or Oyster cap should be able to use it, it's public transport. Just set a high Oyster single fare, and a punitive cash fare per the Tube. Yes, I suspect that they'll have to do something like that, once they've got through all the "early adopters", prepared to pay a premium price for the views. Of course, if they do as you suggest, Freedom pass holders will also get to travel free. |
shock, horror: few commuters using dangleway
On 2012\11\17 10:44, Recliner wrote:
Neil Williams wrote: Basil Jet wrote: I think anyone with a monthly or longer travelcard season should be allowed to use it free, that way the tourists would still have to pay. I think anyone with a Travelcard or Oyster cap should be able to use it, it's public transport. Just set a high Oyster single fare, and a punitive cash fare per the Tube. Yes, I suspect that they'll have to do something like that, once they've got through all the "early adopters", prepared to pay a premium price for the views. Of course, if they do as you suggest, Freedom pass holders will also get to travel free. They should also let unemployed people travel free, otherwise it's a mockery calling them gone-dolers. |
shock, horror: few commuters using dangleway
On 2012\11\17 12:25, Basil Jet wrote:
On 2012\11\17 10:44, Recliner wrote: Neil Williams wrote: Basil Jet wrote: I think anyone with a monthly or longer travelcard season should be allowed to use it free, that way the tourists would still have to pay. I think anyone with a Travelcard or Oyster cap should be able to use it, it's public transport. Just set a high Oyster single fare, and a punitive cash fare per the Tube. Yes, I suspect that they'll have to do something like that, once they've got through all the "early adopters", prepared to pay a premium price for the views. Of course, if they do as you suggest, Freedom pass holders will also get to travel free. They should also let unemployed people travel free, otherwise it's a mockery calling them gone-dolers. Are they able to unhook most of gondolas in the winter, or did our green-crazy TfL not think of that? |
shock, horror: few commuters using dangleway
On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 12:27:05 +0000, Basil Jet
wrote: On 2012\11\17 12:25, Basil Jet wrote: On 2012\11\17 10:44, Recliner wrote: Neil Williams wrote: Basil Jet wrote: I think anyone with a monthly or longer travelcard season should be allowed to use it free, that way the tourists would still have to pay. I think anyone with a Travelcard or Oyster cap should be able to use it, it's public transport. Just set a high Oyster single fare, and a punitive cash fare per the Tube. Yes, I suspect that they'll have to do something like that, once they've got through all the "early adopters", prepared to pay a premium price for the views. Of course, if they do as you suggest, Freedom pass holders will also get to travel free. They should also let unemployed people travel free, otherwise it's a mockery calling them gone-dolers. Are they able to unhook most of gondolas in the winter, or did our green-crazy TfL not think of that? That's certainly possible in the Alps, and as the Thames cable car is a fairly standard Doppelmayr (Austrian) design, it should be possible (assuming they have somewhere to garage them). Here's a pic I took of the gondola garage of the Eagle Express (also built by Doppelmayr) on the way up to the Alpen Tower on the Planplatten, the viewing plateau high above Meiringen. http://www.flickr.com/photos/recline...57630929846030 You can also see how they can easily swap special purpose gondolas into the stream -- this pic shows a cargo gondola, carrying a folded hang glider: http://www.flickr.com/photos/recline...57630432721310 |
shock, horror: few commuters using dangleway
On 17/11/2012 10:38, Neil Williams wrote: Basil Jet wrote: I think anyone with a monthly or longer travelcard season should be allowed to use it free, that way the tourists would still have to pay. I think anyone with a Travelcard or Oyster cap should be able to use it, it's public transport. Just set a high Oyster single fare, and a punitive cash fare per the Tube. "It's public transport." Hmm... |
shock, horror: few commuters using dangleway
Mizter T wrote:
"It's public transport." Hmm... In what way is it not? And if it is not, what are TfL doing getting involved in it? Things that aren't public transport (e.g tour buses) are way outside their remit. Neil -- Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK. Put first name before the at to reply. |
shock, horror: few commuters using dangleway
On 18/11/2012 22:46, Neil Williams wrote: Mizter T wrote: "It's public transport." Hmm... In what way is it not? And if it is not, what are TfL doing getting involved in it? Things that aren't public transport (e.g tour buses) are way outside their remit. I'm far from convinced it serves any real, substantive public transport need. TfL are involved because the Mayor told them to be involved, it's as simple as that. I wish the dangleway every success, I just can't see how that success might come about. It does at least provide Londoners with a 'ride with a view' at a rather more accessible price than the (still fantastic) London Eye, so families can be in appreciation of that. (Don't get me started on twenty five quid for the Shard!) FWIW, LT did used to run tour buses! And one could undoubtedly argue the 9 and 15 'Heritage routes' aren't primarily about public transport. |
shock, horror: few commuters using dangleway
In message , at 23:33:11 on Sun, 18 Nov
2012, Mizter T remarked: FWIW, LT did used to run tour buses! And one could undoubtedly argue the 9 and 15 'Heritage routes' aren't primarily about public transport. The Covent Garden museum is about public transport, without actually being public transport. Maybe the heritage routes are the same (a living museum). -- Roland Perry |
shock, horror: few commuters using dangleway
On 18/11/2012 22:46, Neil Williams wrote:
Mizter T wrote: "It's public transport." Hmm... In what way is it not? And if it is not, what are TfL doing getting involved in it? Things that aren't public transport (e.g tour buses) are way outside their remit. Well - they license tour buses (witness my previous complaints regarding Golden Tours which are still ongoing) under the London Service Permits regime where they permit without consultation with residents, and then basically wash their hands of, the outside of your property to become a bus parking lot with incompetent reversing and engines idling for a significant portion of the day. Roll on the 10th of December when they are being moved elsewhere! On the other hand I quite like the dangleway although I can't think how I'd use it for my daily commute (which due to a sprained ankle at the moment is about 6yds from bedroom to spare bedroom) |
shock, horror: few commuters using dangleway
In message , at 11:17:44 on
Mon, 19 Nov 2012, Paul Corfield remarked: Similarly there are no stops for buses at North Greenwich Dangleway station despite routes running 30 seconds away. Instead there is a rather windswept and midly confusing walk from the station. It's not very far but it is not intuitive if you are not familiar with the area as the Dangleway is hidden from view as you emerge from the tube station whether into the bus station or towards the O2. "Slightly" windswept?? I went there while it was under construction (to get a look) and not only could I not find where it was (the O2 seemed to be completely in the way) but it was so cold and windy I beat a strategic retreat before getting hypothermia. Slight plug: that would have been the day I took this (1st Feb), Shard from Waterloo East: http://www.panoramio.com/photo/67113784 -- Roland Perry |
shock, horror: few commuters using dangleway
On 19/11/2012 12:33, Roland Perry wrote:
Slight plug: that would have been the day I took this (1st Feb), Shard from Waterloo East: http://www.panoramio.com/photo/67113784 The font, colour and occluded centre makes it look like the BBC is rather incongruously advertising in the middle of that platform... |
shock, horror: few commuters using dangleway
In message , at 13:03:11 on Mon, 19 Nov
2012, Someone Somewhere remarked: Slight plug: that would have been the day I took this (1st Feb), Shard from Waterloo East: http://www.panoramio.com/photo/67113784 The font, colour and occluded centre makes it look like the BBC is rather incongruously advertising in the middle of that platform... I won't pretend it's easy to take such a photo well, or that I've succeeded. Apart from being very cold at the time, you have to wait until there's no trains (it's quite a busy line) although waiting for no passengers seems a bit easier! Then there's getting all the various vertical platform furniture and buildings aligned so they make as much sense as possible. Of course, Waterloo East has platforms A-D, to avoid confusion with the numbered platforms at Waterloo [Main]. The island is B and C. -- Roland Perry |
shock, horror: few commuters using dangleway
On Mon, 19 Nov 2012 09:32:17 +0000
Someone Somewhere wrote: basically wash their hands of, the outside of your property to become a bus parking lot with incompetent reversing and engines idling for a significant portion of the day. I've wondered about that. Why do bus and coach drivers leave the engines running when there's no need for it? Apart from the fact that it doesn't do pollution levels any favours it must cost their company a significant amount in fuel costs over time. Diesel engines these days are not hard to restart so they can't use that reason any more. B2003 |
shock, horror: few commuters using dangleway
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shock, horror: few commuters using dangleway
On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 11:01:05 +0000
Someone Somewhere wrote: I've thought long and hard about this and the only conclusion I can draw (apart from some of the Golden Tours buses which seem to require the driver to actually turn them off from the engine cut off in the engine bay) is that it keeps the heaters/aircon/radio/TV/internet running to entertain the drivers (although I also feel that annoying locals keeps the drivers entertained too) Its probably something like that I suppose. Though you'd think the constant engine noise would eventually **** the drivers off too if they're trying to relax. B2003 |
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