On 10 Dec, 19:55, P160AC1 wrote:
Doesn't Boris look so cute and snuggly in his Overground woolly hat and cheerleader gloves on page 11 of the London Standard tonight...

...he looks so adorable like you just want to pick him up in your arms and...

*...smash his teeth out.

Another tolerant liberal.

*"M25 of the rails" my tail lamp end. Doesn't get the hard working people of Peckham and Wandsworth in to where they need to get to (i.e Central London) any quicker - quite the opposite.

Polson take over, *I need a drink.

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,
(e27002) wrote:

"M25 of the rails" my tail lamp end. Doesn't get the hard working
people of Peckham and Wandsworth in to where they need to get to (i.e
Central London) any quicker - quite the opposite.

That's the point of orbital lines. They don't connect directly to the likes
of Central London. You change where the orbital line intersects with a
radial line for that.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In message , at 04:48:36
on Tue, 11 Dec 2012, remarked:
"M25 of the rails" my tail lamp end. Doesn't get the hard working
people of Peckham and Wandsworth in to where they need to get to (i.e
Central London) any quicker - quite the opposite.

That's the point of orbital lines. They don't connect directly to the likes
of Central London. You change where the orbital line intersects with a
radial line for that.

They also don't connect well with radial lines. I thought a trip
yesterday to Shoreditch High St was an ideal opportunity to try out the
Overground, but connections to the Cambridge lines are hopeless.
--
Roland Perry

On 11/12/2012 11:21, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 04:48:36
on Tue, 11 Dec 2012, remarked:
"M25 of the rails" my tail lamp end. Doesn't get the hard working
people of Peckham and Wandsworth in to where they need to get to (i.e
Central London) any quicker - quite the opposite.

That's the point of orbital lines. They don't connect directly to the
likes
of Central London. You change where the orbital line intersects with a
radial line for that.

They also don't connect well with radial lines. I thought a trip
yesterday to Shoreditch High St was an ideal opportunity to try out the
Overground, but connections to the Cambridge lines are hopeless.

In what sense hopeless, physically or timetable incompatibilities?

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read, substitute trains for rail.
Railway Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail

In message , at 12:05:57 on Tue, 11 Dec
2012, Graeme Wall remarked:
They also don't connect well with radial lines. I thought a trip
yesterday to Shoreditch High St was an ideal opportunity to try out the
Overground, but connections to the Cambridge lines are hopeless.

In what sense hopeless, physically or timetable incompatibilities?

A bit of both. One suggested route was via Kings Cross, then back up to
Highbury and then change to Overground.

In practice it's quicker to walk from Old St.

There isn't a direct interchange between the lines, and very few of the
faster mainline trains stop at Finsbury Park (to change for Highbury).
--
Roland Perry

On 11/12/2012 13:41, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 12:05:57 on Tue, 11 Dec
2012, Graeme Wall remarked:
They also don't connect well with radial lines. I thought a trip
yesterday to Shoreditch High St was an ideal opportunity to try out the
Overground, but connections to the Cambridge lines are hopeless.

In what sense hopeless, physically or timetable incompatibilities?

A bit of both. One suggested route was via Kings Cross, then back up to
Highbury and then change to Overground.

In practice it's quicker to walk from Old St.

There isn't a direct interchange between the lines, and very few of the
faster mainline trains stop at Finsbury Park (to change for Highbury).

You do seem to have found a particularly awkward destination to try.

Hammersmith & City line to Whitechapel and change? Works for both Kings
X and Liverpool St.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read, substitute trains for rail.
Railway Miscellany at http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at
04:48:36 on Tue, 11 Dec 2012, remarked:
"M25 of the rails" my tail lamp end. Doesn't get the hard working
people of Peckham and Wandsworth in to where they need to get to (i.e
Central London) any quicker - quite the opposite.

That's the point of orbital lines. They don't connect directly to the
likes of Central London. You change where the orbital line intersects
with a radial line for that.

They also don't connect well with radial lines. I thought a trip
yesterday to Shoreditch High St was an ideal opportunity to try out
the Overground, but connections to the Cambridge lines are hopeless.

That is one of the limitations of the London Overground orbital route. Cue
rebuilding of East Brixton and a Loughborough Junction interchange.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Ah! You have my undivided interest.

I've long been puzzled why there is no scheduled train service from
Blackfriars via the Loughborough Junction avoiding line to Clapham Junction
and points further south.

I'm also puzzled why no-one has ever built new platforms in Brixton
directly above the Beckenham Junction and Victoria platforms,
thereby providing a connection.

Have these two ideas been thrashed out repeatedly in the past?

In article ,
(Robin9) wrote:

;134867 Wrote:
In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote:
-
In message , at
04:48:36 on Tue, 11 Dec 2012,
remarked:--
"M25 of the rails" my tail lamp end. Doesn't get the hard working
people of Peckham and Wandsworth in to where they need to get to (i.e
Central London) any quicker - quite the opposite.-

That's the point of orbital lines. They don't connect directly to
the likes of Central London. You change where the orbital line
intersects with a radial line for that.-

They also don't connect well with radial lines. I thought a trip
yesterday to Shoreditch High St was an ideal opportunity to try out
the Overground, but connections to the Cambridge lines are
hopeless.-

That is one of the limitations of the London Overground orbital route.
Cue rebuilding of East Brixton and a Loughborough Junction interchange.

Ah! You have my undivided interest.

I've long been puzzled why there is no scheduled train service from
Blackfriars via the Loughborough Junction avoiding line to Clapham
Junction and points further south.

I'm also puzzled why no-one has ever built new platforms in Brixton
directly above the Beckenham Junction and Victoria platforms,
thereby providing a connection.

Have these two ideas been thrashed out repeatedly in the past?

The Brixton idea has been put forward many times but no-one was willing to
find the money.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

"Robin9" wrote in message
...

;134867 Wrote:
In article , (Roland
Perry)
wrote:
-
In message , at
04:48:36 on Tue, 11 Dec 2012,
remarked:--
"M25 of the rails" my tail lamp end. Doesn't get the hard working
people of Peckham and Wandsworth in to where they need to get to (i.e
Central London) any quicker - quite the opposite.-

That's the point of orbital lines. They don't connect directly to the
likes of Central London. You change where the orbital line intersects
with a radial line for that.-

They also don't connect well with radial lines. I thought a trip
yesterday to Shoreditch High St was an ideal opportunity to try out
the Overground, but connections to the Cambridge lines are hopeless.-

That is one of the limitations of the London Overground orbital route.
Cue
rebuilding of East Brixton and a Loughborough Junction interchange.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Ah! You have my undivided interest.

I've long been puzzled why there is no scheduled train service from
Blackfriars via the Loughborough Junction avoiding line to Clapham
Junction
and points further south.
The reasons are partly historic and a lack of need. Historically Blackfriars
probably would have had limited spare capacity and such a service would get
in the way of main line/boat train/Eurostar services. Physically, Waterloo
and Blackfriars are not that far apart and a direct train from Clapham
Junction to Waterloo and a short bus ride would always win. There are only
three intermediate stations, and two of those are already served by the
Northern Line.


I'm also puzzled why no-one has ever built new platforms in Brixton
directly above the Beckenham Junction and Victoria platforms,
thereby providing a connection.

AIUI that's a very expensive project.

--
DAS