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Waterloo & City special service Sat 26 and Sun 27 January 2013
I have just noticed:
"Waterloo & City A special service with extended opening hours will operate on Saturday 26 and Sunday 27 January. Trains operate between 0800 and 2200 Saturday and 1000 and 2000 Sunday" It did not appear on the Planned Works Calendar http://www.tfl.gov.uk/l ivetravelnews/planned-works/calendar/default.aspx on 24 Jan and was not in engineering announcements on 25 Jan. The operator at London Underground Customer Services was surprised by it, but found out, from Supervisor Staff at Bank/Monument, that it was remedial action for "Saturday 26 and Sunday 27 January, no service between Edgware, East Finchley and Kennington via Bank and between Edgware, East Finchley and Charing Cross." No repeat is scheduled in the next 3 months. I would have expected more publicity. -- Walter Briscoe |
Waterloo & City special service Sat 26 and Sun 27 January 2013
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In article , (Paul Corfield) wrote: On Sat, 26 Jan 2013 13:50:15 +0000, Walter Briscoe wrote: I have just noticed: "Waterloo & City A special service with extended opening hours will operate on Saturday 26 and Sunday 27 January. Trains operate between 0800 and 2200 Saturday and 1000 and 2000 Sunday" It did not appear on the Planned Works Calendar http://www.tfl.gov.uk/l ivetravelnews/planned-works/calendar/default.aspx on 24 Jan and was not in engineering announcements on 25 Jan. The operator at London Underground Customer Services was surprised by it, but found out, from Supervisor Staff at Bank/Monument, that it was remedial action for "Saturday 26 and Sunday 27 January, no service between Edgware, East Finchley and Kennington via Bank and between Edgware, East Finchley and Charing Cross." No repeat is scheduled in the next 3 months. I would have expected more publicity. It was certainly referenced in the TfL E Mail that comes every week about weekend engineering works. That E Mail is sent out just because I happen to have registered my Oyster card rather than specifically asking for the weekly eng wks info. Really? My Oyster is registered but I get no engineering works emails. I get the email, but I think I signed up for it, rather than getting it through registering my Oyster cards. |
Waterloo & City special service Sat 26 and Sun 27 January 2013
On 27 Jan, 00:20, wrote:
In article , (Paul Corfield) wrote: On Sat, 26 Jan 2013 13:50:15 +0000, Walter Briscoe wrote: I have just noticed: "Waterloo & City A special service with extended opening hours will operate on Saturday 26 and Sunday 27 January. Trains operate between 0800 and 2200 Saturday and 1000 and 2000 Sunday" It did not appear on the Planned Works Calendar http://www.tfl.gov.uk/l ivetravelnews/planned-works/calendar/default.aspx on 24 Jan and was not in engineering announcements on 25 Jan. The operator at London Underground Customer Services was surprised by it, but found out, from Supervisor Staff at Bank/Monument, that it was remedial action for "Saturday 26 and Sunday 27 January, no service between Edgware, East Finchley and Kennington via Bank and between Edgware, East Finchley and Charing Cross." No repeat is scheduled in the next 3 months. I would have expected more publicity. It was certainly referenced in the TfL E Mail that comes every week about weekend engineering works. *That E Mail is sent out just because I happen to have registered my Oyster card rather than specifically asking for the weekly eng wks info. Really? My Oyster is registered but I get no engineering works emails. -- Colin Rosenstiel You can opt in via the 'My Account' page of your online account. |
Waterloo & City special service Sat 26 and Sun 27 January 2013
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2013 15:26:40 in uk.transport.london, Paul Corfield writes On Sat, 26 Jan 2013 13:50:15 +0000, Walter Briscoe wrote: I have just noticed: "Waterloo & City A special service with extended opening hours will operate on Saturday 26 and Sunday 27 January. Trains operate between 0800 and 2200 Saturday and 1000 and 2000 Sunday" It did not appear on the Planned Works Calendar http://www.tfl.gov.uk/l ivetravelnews/planned-works/calendar/default.aspx on 24 Jan and was not in engineering announcements on 25 Jan. The operator at London Underground Customer Services was surprised by it, but found out, from Supervisor Staff at Bank/Monument, that it was remedial action for "Saturday 26 and Sunday 27 January, no service between Edgware, East Finchley and Kennington via Bank and between Edgware, East Finchley and Charing Cross." No repeat is scheduled in the next 3 months. I would have expected more publicity. It was certainly referenced in the TfL E Mail that comes every week about weekend engineering works. That E Mail is sent out just because I happen to have registered my Oyster card rather than specifically asking for the weekly eng wks info. You are right. It is in the email, sent on Thursday, which says: .... Northern line There is no service this weekend between Charing Cross and East Finchley/Edgware as well as between Kennington and East Finchley/Edgware via Bank. This is to allow for line upgrade work and station improvement work at Tottenham Court Road. The Waterloo & City line will run extended hours on Saturday from 08:00 - 22:00 and on Sunday from 10:00 - 20:00 to help travel via the City. Piccadilly line .... At about 18:00 on Sunday, the W&C status changed to "Good Service". "Good Service" seems to have 2 meanings: 1) A good service is running; 2) No service is timetabled. http://cloud.tfl.gov.uk/TrackerNet/PredictionDetailed/W/BNK suggested the service had gone about 18:30. -- Walter Briscoe |
Waterloo & City special service Sat 26 and Sun 27 January 2013
On 27/01/2013 18:42, Walter Briscoe wrote:
In message of Sat, 26 Jan 2013 15:26:40 in uk.transport.london, Paul Corfield writes On Sat, 26 Jan 2013 13:50:15 +0000, Walter Briscoe wrote: I have just noticed: "Waterloo & City A special service with extended opening hours will operate on Saturday 26 and Sunday 27 January. Trains operate between 0800 and 2200 Saturday and 1000 and 2000 Sunday" It did not appear on the Planned Works Calendar http://www.tfl.gov.uk/l ivetravelnews/planned-works/calendar/default.aspx on 24 Jan and was not in engineering announcements on 25 Jan. The operator at London Underground Customer Services was surprised by it, but found out, from Supervisor Staff at Bank/Monument, that it was remedial action for "Saturday 26 and Sunday 27 January, no service between Edgware, East Finchley and Kennington via Bank and between Edgware, East Finchley and Charing Cross." No repeat is scheduled in the next 3 months. I would have expected more publicity. It was certainly referenced in the TfL E Mail that comes every week about weekend engineering works. That E Mail is sent out just because I happen to have registered my Oyster card rather than specifically asking for the weekly eng wks info. You are right. It is in the email, sent on Thursday, which says: ... Northern line There is no service this weekend between Charing Cross and East Finchley/Edgware as well as between Kennington and East Finchley/Edgware via Bank. This is to allow for line upgrade work and station improvement work at Tottenham Court Road. The Waterloo & City line will run extended hours on Saturday from 08:00 - 22:00 and on Sunday from 10:00 - 20:00 to help travel via the City. Piccadilly line ... At about 18:00 on Sunday, the W&C status changed to "Good Service". "Good Service" seems to have 2 meanings: 1) A good service is running; 2) No service is timetabled. http://cloud.tfl.gov.uk/TrackerNet/PredictionDetailed/W/BNK suggested the service had gone about 18:30. I saw the Drain's service status on Friday listed as 'Special Service.' |
Waterloo & City special service Sat 26 and Sun 27 January 2013
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Waterloo & City special service Sat 26 and Sun 27 January 2013
"Michael R N Dolbear" wrote in message
news:01cdfda3$bb2b8320$LocalHost@default... wrote I have just noticed: "Waterloo & City A special service with extended opening hours will operate on Saturday 26 and Sunday 27 January. Trains operate between 0800 and 2200 Saturday and 1000 and 2000 Sunday" When did the W&C last operate on a Sunday ? During the Olympics. Rumours are that this will become a permanent arrangement this summer. Peter Smyth |
Waterloo & City special service Sat 26 and Sun 27 January 2013
Peter Smyth wrote:
I have just noticed: "Waterloo & City A special service with extended opening hours will operate on Saturday 26 and Sunday 27 January. Trains operate between 0800 and 2200 Saturday and 1000 and 2000 Sunday" When did the W&C last operate on a Sunday ? During the Olympics. Rumours are that this will become a permanent arrangement this summer. Here's hoping. I've often found the lack of a W&C a real pain when the Jubilee is down on Sundays or in the evenings. Neither Oxford Circus nor Tottenham Court Road are particularly easy interchanges between the Central and Waterloo-bound lines when tourist crushed. -- My blog: http://adf.ly/4hi4c |
Waterloo & City special service Sat 26 and Sun 27 January 2013
On 29/01/2013 11:18, Tim Roll-Pickering wrote:
Rumours are that this will become a permanent arrangement this summer. Here's hoping. I've often found the lack of a W&C a real pain when the Jubilee is down on Sundays or in the evenings. Neither Oxford Circus nor Tottenham Court Road are particularly easy interchanges between the Central and Waterloo-bound lines when tourist crushed. Would be nice if they could provide the full weekday service before worrying about Sundays. Queues back beyond the top of the ramps at Waterloo at 9am today, which usually means at least one train out of service. Who on earth thought running a timetable that required 100% availability was a good idea? |
Waterloo & City special service Sat 26 and Sun 27 January 2013
"Spyke" wrote in message ...
On 29/01/2013 11:18, Tim Roll-Pickering wrote: Rumours are that this will become a permanent arrangement this summer. Here's hoping. I've often found the lack of a W&C a real pain when the Jubilee is down on Sundays or in the evenings. Neither Oxford Circus nor Tottenham Court Road are particularly easy interchanges between the Central and Waterloo-bound lines when tourist crushed. Would be nice if they could provide the full weekday service before worrying about Sundays. Queues back beyond the top of the ramps at Waterloo at 9am today, which usually means at least one train out of service. Who on earth thought running a timetable that required 100% availability was a good idea? So you would rather they always ran a four train service, even when all five trains are available? It seems better to run five trains when possible, and accept that sometimes one will be out of service. Peter Smyth |
Waterloo & City special service Sat 26 and Sun 27 January 2013
On 29/01/2013 19:45, Peter Smyth wrote:
Would be nice if they could provide the full weekday service before worrying about Sundays. Queues back beyond the top of the ramps at Waterloo at 9am today, which usually means at least one train out of service. Who on earth thought running a timetable that required 100% availability was a good idea? So you would rather they always ran a four train service, even when all five trains are available? It seems better to run five trains when possible, and accept that sometimes one will be out of service. By all means, use all 5 when available. However, during the 2006 'upgrade', commuters were sold a 'capacity increase', which was actually nothing more than sweating the existing assets by requiring 100% train availability. This was never going to be realistic in the long term, especially given the reliability of 1992 stock and the limited maintenance facilities available. If TfL had wanted to provide a genuine capacity increase, they should've looked at increasing train lengths (plenty of spare platform at both ends) or improving the signalling to allow tighter headways and faster platform reoccupation, instead of the trains crawling along and waiting at signals or in the depot as they do now. The W&C seems the ideal application for ATO, or even driverless trains. You could even have a human responsible for dispatching the trains at each station, and still save on staff. |
Waterloo & City special service Sat 26 and Sun 27 January 2013
On 30/01/2013 02:23, Spyke wrote:
On 29/01/2013 19:45, Peter Smyth wrote: Would be nice if they could provide the full weekday service before worrying about Sundays. Queues back beyond the top of the ramps at Waterloo at 9am today, which usually means at least one train out of service. Who on earth thought running a timetable that required 100% availability was a good idea? So you would rather they always ran a four train service, even when all five trains are available? It seems better to run five trains when possible, and accept that sometimes one will be out of service. By all means, use all 5 when available. However, during the 2006 'upgrade', commuters were sold a 'capacity increase', which was actually nothing more than sweating the existing assets by requiring 100% train availability. This was never going to be realistic in the long term, especially given the reliability of 1992 stock and the limited maintenance facilities available. I thought that it was summer 2005 when they shut the line for upgrading. |
Waterloo & City special service Sat 26 and Sun 27 January 2013
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Waterloo & City special service Sat 26 and Sun 27 January 2013
On 30/01/2013 20:20, Spyke wrote:
On 30/01/2013 13:23, wrote: On 30/01/2013 02:23, Spyke wrote: On 29/01/2013 19:45, Peter Smyth wrote: I thought that it was summer 2005 when they shut the line for upgrading. Pretty sure it was 2006, as I know it was after I started working in the City in October 2005. So it was. |
Waterloo & City special service Sat 26 and Sun 27 January 2013
"Spyke" wrote in message ...
On 29/01/2013 19:45, Peter Smyth wrote: Would be nice if they could provide the full weekday service before worrying about Sundays. Queues back beyond the top of the ramps at Waterloo at 9am today, which usually means at least one train out of service. Who on earth thought running a timetable that required 100% availability was a good idea? So you would rather they always ran a four train service, even when all five trains are available? It seems better to run five trains when possible, and accept that sometimes one will be out of service. By all means, use all 5 when available. However, during the 2006 'upgrade', commuters were sold a 'capacity increase', which was actually nothing more than sweating the existing assets by requiring 100% train availability. This was never going to be realistic in the long term, especially given the reliability of 1992 stock and the limited maintenance facilities available. If TfL had wanted to provide a genuine capacity increase, they should've looked at increasing train lengths (plenty of spare platform at both ends) or improving the signalling to allow tighter headways and faster platform reoccupation, instead of the trains crawling along and waiting at signals or in the depot as they do now. But they did improve the signalling during the closure - hence why they can now run five trains at once instead of four trains. As for increasing train lengths, I suspect the main constraint is the very limited depot space available for stabling rather than the actual platforms. Peter Smyth |
Waterloo & City special service Sat 26 and Sun 27 January 2013
On 30/01/2013 23:36, Peter Smyth wrote:
"Spyke" wrote in message ... On 29/01/2013 19:45, Peter Smyth wrote: Would be nice if they could provide the full weekday service before worrying about Sundays. Queues back beyond the top of the ramps at Waterloo at 9am today, which usually means at least one train out of service. Who on earth thought running a timetable that required 100% availability was a good idea? So you would rather they always ran a four train service, even when all five trains are available? It seems better to run five trains when possible, and accept that sometimes one will be out of service. By all means, use all 5 when available. However, during the 2006 'upgrade', commuters were sold a 'capacity increase', which was actually nothing more than sweating the existing assets by requiring 100% train availability. This was never going to be realistic in the long term, especially given the reliability of 1992 stock and the limited maintenance facilities available. If TfL had wanted to provide a genuine capacity increase, they should've looked at increasing train lengths (plenty of spare platform at both ends) or improving the signalling to allow tighter headways and faster platform reoccupation, instead of the trains crawling along and waiting at signals or in the depot as they do now. But they did improve the signalling during the closure - hence why they can now run five trains at once instead of four trains. As for increasing train lengths, I suspect the main constraint is the very limited depot space available for stabling rather than the actual platforms. Peter Smyth Err ... the platforms at Bank can only take four-car trains. |
Waterloo & City special service Sat 26 and Sun 27 January 2013
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Waterloo & City special service Sat 26 and Sun 27 January 2013
On 30/01/2013 23:36, Peter Smyth wrote:
But they did improve the signalling during the closure - hence why they can now run five trains at once instead of four trains. As for increasing train lengths, I suspect the main constraint is the very limited depot space available for stabling rather than the actual platforms. My understanding is that the signalling was replaced like-for-like rather than there being a fundamental redesign. I believe 5 car trains of the old (1940) stock were possible, but the individual cars were slightly shorter than those of the 1992 stock, and the platforms at Bank have since been reduced in length to give longer safety overlaps. Perhaps the Southern railway had it right with the 1940 stock, with a mixture of motor and trailer coaches that could be remarshalled as needed so a failure on one car wouldn't take out a whole train set! |
Waterloo & City special service Sat 26 and Sun 27 January 2013
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Waterloo & City special service Sat 26 and Sun 27 January 2013
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