Do London buses carry cameras that show a
view of the road forward or back from the bus?

Are the recordings retained and available to police,
as possible evidence of offences by other road users,
where the bus isn't itself involved?

"Arthur Lemming" wrote in message
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Do London buses carry cameras that show a
view of the road forward or back from the bus?

Are the recordings retained and available to police,
as possible evidence of offences by other road users,
where the bus isn't itself involved?

Re your first question - generally yes and many also have cameras showing
views to the side. No idea about the other one.

Paul Corfield wrote:
On Tue, 8 Oct 2013 09:30:09 +0100, "Arthur Lemming"
wrote:

Do London buses carry cameras that show a
view of the road forward or back from the bus?

Many, but not all, modern specification buses on TfL service certainly
have front facing cameras. I'm less certain about rear cameras but
they are probably fitted.

Bus companies tend to specify cameras to ensure there is evidence in
the event of any sort of incident to allow them to contest bogus
insurance claims.

Are the recordings retained and available to police,
as possible evidence of offences by other road users,
where the bus isn't itself involved?

No idea I'm afraid.

I thought at least some buses had rear-facing cameras to monitor bus lane
compliance?

In message , at 12:50:04 on Tue, 8 Oct
2013, August West remarked:
But there's no legal requirement for TfL (or other CCTV operators) to
release recordings to third parties

Other than a court order. But they would have a good excuse for
voluntarily releasing them under DPA s29.

they are not actually recorded in the images. Although I imagine they
cooperate with the police, who could obtain warrants for the material,
anyway.

Warrants under which statute?
--
Roland Perry

In message , at 16:53:44 on Tue, 8 Oct
2013, August West remarked:
they are not actually recorded in the images. Although I imagine they
cooperate with the police, who could obtain warrants for the
material, anyway.

Warrants under which statute?

It would be at Common Law in Scotland, not statute; I have no idea about
England (I suppose I should have qualifed my statement). But I would be
very surprised if there was no such power.

The offences concerned are unlikely to justify a search warrant of the
perpetrator's home, let alone a search warrant for a bus (assuming you
could identify the exact bus) that happened to be somewhere near where
they might have committed the offence.
--
Roland Perry

In message , at 01:36:13 on
Wed, 9 Oct 2013, Paul Corfield remarked:
As I suspect the original question might relate to a road traffic
accident, possibly involving a cyclist, then I could foresee
circumstances where a search of a garage connected to a home and
gathering of photographic / video evidence from vehicles, CCTV cameras
or individuals might be made.

Photographic evidence might be collected from a bus if it's still there
when the police arrive after an accident. It'd have to be a pretty odd
accident for the houses of the persons involved to be searched.

--
Roland Perry

In message , at 09:56:50 on
Wed, 9 Oct 2013, Paul Corfield remarked:
As I suspect the original question might relate to a road traffic
accident, possibly involving a cyclist, then I could foresee
circumstances where a search of a garage connected to a home and
gathering of photographic / video evidence from vehicles, CCTV cameras
or individuals might be made.

Photographic evidence might be collected from a bus if it's still there
when the police arrive after an accident. It'd have to be a pretty odd
accident for the houses of the persons involved to be searched.

Hit and run and somebody tries to hide their car at / near their home?

That's the sort of "odd accident" I had in mind. To save typing I didn't
go on to describe them, but another would be a deliberate attempt to
injure someone.

Of course, doing that sort of thing in a car registered to your home
address is a bit of an own-goal.

Having been the victim of such an accident I know the police went to a
suspect's home to try to find the vehicle involved in the accident.

I agree it wouldn't be an every day event but it wouldn't be
impossible either.

--
Roland Perry

"Paul Corfield" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 8 Oct 2013 21:19:47 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 16:53:44 on Tue, 8
Oct
2013, August West remarked:
they are not actually recorded in the images. Although I imagine
they
cooperate with the police, who could obtain warrants for the
material, anyway.

Warrants under which statute?

It would be at Common Law in Scotland, not statute; I have no idea
about
England (I suppose I should have qualifed my statement). But I
would be
very surprised if there was no such power.

The offences concerned are unlikely to justify a search warrant of
the
perpetrator's home, let alone a search warrant for a bus (assuming
you
could identify the exact bus) that happened to be somewhere near
where
they might have committed the offence.

As I suspect the original question might relate to a road traffic
accident, possibly involving a cyclist, then I could foresee
circumstances where a search of a garage connected to a home and
gathering of photographic / video evidence from vehicles, CCTV
cameras
or individuals might be made. Whether that would involve warrants I
could not say - outside my knowledge.

My question was triggered by reading of some pedestrians using a
light-controlled pedestrian crossing. A bus had already stopped at
red.
The road itself is only wide enough for one motor vehicle in each
direction.
The pedestrians, crossing the road, walked out of the cover of the bus
without checking further, and reportedly just missed getting knocked
down by a car that was overtaking the bus, but were I believe
unharmed.

Given the possible existence of video recordings of the incident, I
think
the only question really is whether the police could or would take any
significant action if the incident was reported.

In message , at 10:23:34 on Wed, 9 Oct
2013, Arthur Lemming remarked:
My question was triggered by reading of some pedestrians using a
light-controlled pedestrian crossing. A bus had already stopped at
red.
The road itself is only wide enough for one motor vehicle in each
direction.
The pedestrians, crossing the road, walked out of the cover of the bus
without checking further, and reportedly just missed getting knocked
down by a car that was overtaking the bus, but were I believe unharmed.

Given the possible existence of video recordings of the incident, I
think
the only question really is whether the police could or would take any
significant action if the incident was reported.

Given that no-one was injured, and it wasn't witnessed first hand by the
police, and presumably wasn't reported as soon as it had happened, then
I don't hold out much hope for them being very interested.

If they were interested, they could identify the specific bus, and the
recording still existed, I would expect that the bus company would
respond to a relevant Data Protection s29 notice (but if they wanted as
a matter of public policy to avoid becoming a surrogate traffic-offence
camera operator rather than a bus company they might well decide to
generically expire the cctv recordings sooner than the average s29 can
be actioned).

Obviously, there's also the possibility of a court order, but whether a
court would regard this scenario as a good use of their time is another
matter.
--
Roland Perry

"Paul Corfield" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 8 Oct 2013 21:19:47 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

In message , at 16:53:44 on Tue, 8
Oct
2013, August West remarked:
they are not actually recorded in the images. Although I
imagine they cooperate with the police, who could obtain
warrants for the material, anyway.

Warrants under which statute?

It would be at Common Law in Scotland, not statute; I have
no idea about England (I suppose I should have qualifed my
statement). But I would be very surprised if there was no
such power.

The offences concerned are unlikely to justify a search warrant
of the perpetrator's home, let alone a search warrant for a bus
(assuming you could identify the exact bus) that happened to
be somewhere near where they might have committed the
offence.

As I suspect the original question might relate to a road traffic
accident, possibly involving a cyclist, then I could foresee
circumstances where a search of a garage connected to a home
and gathering of photographic / video evidence from vehicles,
CCTV cameras or individuals might be made. Whether that
would involve warrants I could not say - outside my knowledge.

My question was triggered by reading of some pedestrians using a
light-controlled pedestrian crossing. A bus had already stopped at
red. The road itself is only wide enough for one motor vehicle in
each direction. The pedestrians, crossing the road, walked out
of the cover of the bus without checking further and reportedly
just missed getting knocked down by a car that was overtaking
the bus, but were I believe unharmed.

Given the possible existence of video recordings of the incident, I
think the only question really is whether the police could or would
take any significant action if the incident was reported. The time it
occurred would be knowable. The people had just got off a train.
I don't know if they noted the bus route, but there wouldn't be more
than three possibilities.