M25 River Crossing
 

As a matter of interest, why is the Queen Elizabeth II Bridge not
designated as a Motorway? Can I report the Department for Transport
to the Advertising Standards Authority for misleadingly describing the
M25 as an 'orbital motorway' when the 'orbit' is incomplete?

M25 River Crossing
 

In message , at 13:29:17 on
Sat, 12 Oct 2013, Scott remarked:
As a matter of interest, why is the Queen Elizabeth II Bridge not
designated as a Motorway?

So that traffic which is prohibited from using motorways can still cross
the river.
--
Roland Perry

M25 River Crossing
 

On 2013\10\12 13:29, Scott wrote:
As a matter of interest, why is the Queen Elizabeth II Bridge not
designated as a Motorway?

So that learner drivers and other non-motorway traffic can use it.

Can I report the Department for Transport
to the Advertising Standards Authority for misleadingly describing the
M25 as an 'orbital motorway' when the 'orbit' is incomplete?

No, because the North Circular Road and South Circular Road are worse.

M25 River Crossing
 

On 12/10/2013 14:09, Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 13:29:17 on
Sat, 12 Oct 2013, Scott remarked:
As a matter of interest, why is the Queen Elizabeth II Bridge not
designated as a Motorway?

So that traffic which is prohibited from using motorways can still cross
the river.

Not so.

Pedestrians and cyclists cannot use the crossing in either direction
(except as passengers and freight).

The Dartford Tunnel was built by Kent and Essex County Councils and was
opened to traffic over ten years before any part of M25 was opened and
about twenty years before the tunnel approach roads were fully connected
to the M25 northbound.

A282 was allocated when the tunnel (at that time a single bore) was a
standalone facility.

M25 River Crossing
 

In message , at 02:02:41 on Sun, 13
Oct 2013, JNugent remarked:
As a matter of interest, why is the Queen Elizabeth II Bridge not
designated as a Motorway?

So that traffic which is prohibited from using motorways can still cross
the river.

Not so.

How about "so that a greater proportion of the traffic, viz: several of
those classes which are prohibited from using motorways, can still cross
the river".

Pedestrians and cyclists cannot use the crossing in either direction
(except as passengers and freight).

And the tunnel operators have special vehicles for the use of cyclists,
so the motorway (or not) status is irrelevant as far as they are
concerned.

Pedestrians are not "traffic".

The Dartford Tunnel was built by Kent and Essex County Councils and was
opened to traffic over ten years before any part of M25 was opened and
about twenty years before the tunnel approach roads were fully
connected to the M25 northbound.

I'm aware of that, having use it since that single bore opened. However,
once the bridge was open it could perhaps have been upgraded to a
motorway.

Unless, of course, the tunnels are fundamentally not to motorway
standards (eg quantity and position of escape exits) in which case
perhaps it's simply not allowed.
--
Roland Perry

M25 River Crossing
 

On Saturday, 12 October 2013 13:29:17 UTC+1, Scott wrote:
As a matter of interest, why is the Queen Elizabeth II Bridge not

designated as a Motorway? Can I report the Department for Transport

to the Advertising Standards Authority for misleadingly describing the

M25 as an 'orbital motorway' when the 'orbit' is incomplete?
The crossing was orignally the joint responsibility of Essex and Kent County Councils who presumably did not have the authority to operate a motorway.

I imagine that the legislative framework under which the crossing operates would require changing and this probably isn't worth the expense just to have blue road signs instead of green.

M25 River Crossing
 

On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 04:14:56 -0700 (PDT), Piatkow
wrote:

On Saturday, 12 October 2013 13:29:17 UTC+1, Scott wrote:
As a matter of interest, why is the Queen Elizabeth II Bridge not

designated as a Motorway? Can I report the Department for Transport

to the Advertising Standards Authority for misleadingly describing the

M25 as an 'orbital motorway' when the 'orbit' is incomplete?
The crossing was orignally the joint responsibility of Essex and Kent County Councils who presumably did not have the authority to operate a motorway.

I imagine that the legislative framework under which the crossing operates would require changing and this probably isn't worth the expense just to have blue road signs instead of green.

But it would allow the Secretary of State for Transport to announce
the completion of the M25 and blame Labour for failing to complete it
while they were in office :-)

M25 River Crossing
 

On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 09:58:23 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:
Unless, of course, the tunnels are fundamentally not to motorway
standards (eg quantity and position of escape exits) in which case
perhaps it's simply not allowed.

While cycles and pedestrians are not allowed, is other non motorway
traffic such as slow motor vehicles perhaps allowed?

Neil

--
Neil Williams. Use neil before the at to reply.

M25 River Crossing
 

In article ,
(Scott) wrote:

On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 04:14:56 -0700 (PDT), Piatkow
wrote:

On Saturday, 12 October 2013 13:29:17 UTC+1, Scott wrote:
As a matter of interest, why is the Queen Elizabeth II Bridge not
designated as a Motorway? Can I report the Department for Transport
to the Advertising Standards Authority for misleadingly describing the
M25 as an 'orbital motorway' when the 'orbit' is incomplete?

The crossing was orignally the joint responsibility of Essex and Kent
County Councils who presumably did not have the authority to operate a
motorway.

I imagine that the legislative framework under which the crossing
operates would require changing and this probably isn't worth the
expense just to have blue road signs instead of green.

But it would allow the Secretary of State for Transport to announce
the completion of the M25 and blame Labour for failing to complete it
while they were in office :-)

Isn't the M25 like Meccano used to be, "complete yet never finished"?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

M25 River Crossing
 

In message , at
13:46:41 on Sun, 13 Oct 2013, Neil Williams
remarked:
Unless, of course, the tunnels are fundamentally not to motorway
standards (eg quantity and position of escape exits) in which case
perhaps it's simply not allowed.

While cycles and pedestrians are not allowed, is other non motorway
traffic such as slow motor vehicles perhaps allowed?

The biggest category is probably learner drivers (who are allowed as far
as I can tell).
--
Roland Perry