"Roland Perry" wrote

The 10am northbound currently seems to be called the "Northern Lights" and
goes to Aberdeen. So will be an HST, most of which probably have 7
passenger cars. But these days there are many more other trains between
London and Scotland to catch; not just the 10am.

HSTs on East Coast are 2+9, i.e. 9 passenger cars, with only a small part of
the TGS taken up by a guard's and luggage compartment. Mk4 sets are 91+9
Mk4s + DVT. In Mk1 days a lot of the second class accommodation on the ECML
was in 48-seater SKs - very comfortable for those who like compartment
stock, but two Mk4s have more seats than 3 Mk1 SKs.

Peter

In message , at 16:44:17 on
Sun, 5 Jan 2014, Peter Masson
remarked:
The 10am northbound currently seems to be called the "Northern Lights"
and goes to Aberdeen. So will be an HST, most of which probably have 7
passenger cars. But these days there are many more other trains
between London and Scotland to catch; not just the 10am.

HSTs on East Coast are 2+9, i.e. 9 passenger cars, with only a small
part of the TGS taken up by a guard's and luggage compartment.

I was going by their apparent stock of 32 HST locos and 117 carriages
which suggests an average of 2+7.3, but looking closer they have 14
"sets", which is an average of 2+8.3

The IC225's are an average of 1+1+9.7

--
Roland Perry

In article , (Roland Perry)
wrote:

In message , at 16:44:17 on
Sun, 5 Jan 2014, Peter Masson
remarked:
The 10am northbound currently seems to be called the "Northern Lights"
and goes to Aberdeen. So will be an HST, most of which probably have 7
passenger cars. But these days there are many more other trains
between London and Scotland to catch; not just the 10am.

HSTs on East Coast are 2+9, i.e. 9 passenger cars, with only a small
part of the TGS taken up by a guard's and luggage compartment.

I was going by their apparent stock of 32 HST locos and 117 carriages
which suggests an average of 2+7.3, but looking closer they have 14
"sets", which is an average of 2+8.3

The IC225's are an average of 1+1+9.7

There are more spare HST power cars than coaching rakes, obviously. Think
about the maintenance requirements.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Sun, 5 Jan 2014 16:44:17 -0000, "Peter Masson"
wrote:



"Roland Perry" wrote

The 10am northbound currently seems to be called the "Northern Lights" and
goes to Aberdeen. So will be an HST, most of which probably have 7
passenger cars. But these days there are many more other trains between
London and Scotland to catch; not just the 10am.

HSTs on East Coast are 2+9, i.e. 9 passenger cars, with only a small part of
the TGS taken up by a guard's and luggage compartment. Mk4 sets are 91+9
Mk4s + DVT. In Mk1 days a lot of the second class accommodation on the ECML
was in 48-seater SKs - very comfortable for those who like compartment
stock, but two Mk4s have more seats than 3 Mk1 SKs.

Peter

This puts things ito perspective. Thank you Peter.
--

http://www.991fmtalk.com/ The DMZ in Reno

In article ,
(Peter Masson) wrote:

"Roland Perry" wrote

The 10am northbound currently seems to be called the "Northern Lights"
and goes to Aberdeen. So will be an HST, most of which probably have 7
passenger cars. But these days there are many more other trains between
London and Scotland to catch; not just the 10am.

HSTs on East Coast are 2+9, i.e. 9 passenger cars, with only a small
part of the TGS taken up by a guard's and luggage compartment. Mk4
sets are 91+9 Mk4s + DVT. In Mk1 days a lot of the second class
accommodation on the ECML was in 48-seater SKs - very comfortable for
those who like compartment stock, but two Mk4s have more seats than 3
Mk1 SKs.

48 seat Mark 1 SKs and TSOs were the exception. Most were 64-seater. My 1989
Ian Allan Combined Volume has coaching stock and tells me that SOs were
48-seaters and TSOs 64-seaters with SKs of both capacities. By then there
were few SOs or SKs.

Mk 1 & earlier Mk 2 coaches were 20.45M which means that a 12-coach train of
Mk 1s was 245M, a bit longer than 10 coaches of Mk 3 or 4 stock.

--
Colin Rosenstiel