District Line trains crashed into each other
 

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On 12/05/2014 23:57, Mizter T wrote:

On 12/05/2014 21:32, Richard J. wrote:

Basil Jet wrote on 12 May 2014 17:20:41
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http://www.standard.co.uk/news/trans...smashed-into-o
ne-another-on-notorious-section-of-track-9353270.html



Dear me, District Dave's forum has banned all discussion about this
thankfully mild collision, and all u.t.l can do is debate the wording
of the press release/report.

The scrape occurred between East Putney and Southfields, on a section
of the District Line that used to be part of Southern Region BR. I
understand that LU now manage the stations, but that the signalling is
still operated by Network Rail. The key question, since it is alleged
that the incident was caused by movement of the track, is who now
maintains the track. LU (ex-Metronet) or Network Rail? And if the
latter, is it as a subcontractor to LU or as owner of the track?

LU is the infrastructure owner of the Wimbledon branch, and maintains it
in house (it's ex-Metronet).

The signalling is still done (under contract) by Network Rail, not sure
what the masterplan is here in terms of the SSL signalling upgrade and
continuing use by NR trains.

What's also going to happen between Harrow-on-the-Hill and Amersham
when they upgrade signals on that line?

The power comes from Network Rail too, but
I think there are plans for it to be provided by LU instead.

When do NR trains run in revenue service on the Wimbledon branch, BTW?

Just the odd working IIRC. The only candidate I can see from a quick
inspection of table 152 suggests the 0042 from Waterloo to Strawberry Hill.
Realtimetrains confirms my hunch. No sign of it in table 149, however, nor
of any Up trains.

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Colin Rosenstiel

District Line trains crashed into each other
 

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On 12/05/2014 23:57, Mizter T wrote:

On 12/05/2014 21:32, Richard J. wrote:

Basil Jet wrote on 12 May 2014 17:20:41 ...

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/district-line-trains-smashed-into-one-another-on-notorious-section-of-track-9353270.html



Dear me, District Dave's forum has banned all discussion about this
thankfully mild collision, and all u.t.l can do is debate the wording of
the press release/report.

The scrape occurred between East Putney and Southfields, on a section of
the District Line that used to be part of Southern Region BR. I
understand that LU now manage the stations, but that the signalling is
still operated by Network Rail. The key question, since it is alleged
that the incident was caused by movement of the track, is who now
maintains the track. LU (ex-Metronet) or Network Rail? And if the
latter, is it as a subcontractor to LU or as owner of the track?

LU is the infrastructure owner of the Wimbledon branch, and maintains it
in house (it's ex-Metronet).

The signalling is still done (under contract) by Network Rail, not sure
what the masterplan is here in terms of the SSL signalling upgrade and
continuing use by NR trains.

What's also going to happen between Harrow-on-the-Hill and Amersham when
they upgrade signals on that line?

The power comes from Network Rail too, but
I think there are plans for it to be provided by LU instead.

When do NR trains run in revenue service on the Wimbledon branch, BTW?

wherever they need to use it as a diversion route

I believe one late night train runs for "route learning" purposes

tim

District Line trains crashed into each other
 

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(tim.....) wrote:

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When do NR trains run in revenue service on the Wimbledon branch, BTW?

wherever they need to use it as a diversion route

I believe one late night train runs for "route learning" purposes

0042 Waterloo to Strawberry Hill as I posted yesterday.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

District Line trains crashed into each other
 

District Line trains crashed into each other
 

In article , (Peter Smyth) wrote:

wrote:

In article ,
(tim.....) wrote:

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When do NR trains run in revenue service on the Wimbledon branch,
BTW?

wherever they need to use it as a diversion route

I believe one late night train runs for "route learning" purposes

0042 Waterloo to Strawberry Hill as I posted yesterday.

Also 0454 Basingstoke - Waterloo in the opposite direction.

Oh yes! How did I miss that in table 152? Ah! It's not in it. I forgot to
check table 155 and anyway it's not so obvious there which trains might go
that way.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

District Line trains crashed into each other
 

wrote

I believe one late night train runs for "route learning" purposes

0042 Waterloo to Strawberry Hill as I posted yesterday.

Also 0454 Basingstoke - Waterloo in the opposite direction.

Oh yes! How did I miss that in table 152? Ah! It's not in it. I forgot to
check table 155 and anyway it's not so obvious there which trains might go
that way.


Any train that doesn't stop at Earlsfield is a possible and there are a
great many.

I wasn't aware however that the Woking stoppers now call at Earlsfield
outside the peak.

So peak commuters may still be surprised by their train taking this route



--
Mike D

District Line trains crashed into each other
 

Michael R N Dolbear wrote:


wrote

I believe one late night train runs for "route learning"
purposes

0042 Waterloo to Strawberry Hill as I posted yesterday.

Also 0454 Basingstoke - Waterloo in the opposite direction.

Oh yes! How did I miss that in table 152? Ah! It's not in it. I
forgot to
check table 155 and anyway it's not so obvious there which trains
might go that way.


Any train that doesn't stop at Earlsfield is a possible and there are
a great many.

I wasn't aware however that the Woking stoppers now call at
Earlsfield outside the peak.

So peak commuters may still be surprised by their train taking this
route

The likelihood of an unplanned diversion in the peak is virtually nil
as there isn't any spare capacity on the District line.

Occassionally there is a more regular service at weekends due to
engineering work on the main line. In this case some District trains
usually terminate at Parsons Green or Putney Bridge in order to free up
paths for SWT services.

Peter Smyth

District Line trains crashed into each other
 

In article , (Michael R N
Dolbear) wrote:

wrote

I believe one late night train runs for "route learning" purposes

0042 Waterloo to Strawberry Hill as I posted yesterday.

Also 0454 Basingstoke - Waterloo in the opposite direction.

Oh yes! How did I miss that in table 152? Ah! It's not in it. I forgot
to check table 155 and anyway it's not so obvious there which trains
might go that way.

Any train that doesn't stop at Earlsfield is a possible and there are
a great many.

On table 155, I agree. So many that I overlooked the possibility. On 152
they are much easier to spot.

I wasn't aware however that the Woking stoppers now call at
Earlsfield outside the peak.

Nor me. I'm more of a Windsor Lines man.

So peak commuters may still be surprised by their train taking this
route

I'm not sure the 0454 counts as "peak commuters"!

--
Colin Rosenstiel

District Line trains crashed into each other
 

In article , (Peter Smyth) wrote:

Michael R N Dolbear wrote:

wrote

I believe one late night train runs for "route learning" purposes

0042 Waterloo to Strawberry Hill as I posted yesterday.

Also 0454 Basingstoke - Waterloo in the opposite direction.

Oh yes! How did I miss that in table 152? Ah! It's not in it. I forgot
to check table 155 and anyway it's not so obvious there which trains
might go that way.

Any train that doesn't stop at Earlsfield is a possible and there are
a great many.

I wasn't aware however that the Woking stoppers now call at
Earlsfield outside the peak.

So peak commuters may still be surprised by their train taking this
route

The likelihood of an unplanned diversion in the peak is virtually nil
as there isn't any spare capacity on the District line.

Occassionally there is a more regular service at weekends due to
engineering work on the main line. In this case some District trains
usually terminate at Parsons Green or Putney Bridge in order to free up
paths for SWT services.

What will happen when the C Stock has gone? They won't be able to turn
trains at Putney Bridge any more. I don't think they can reverse in the
platforms at Parson's Green. They have to clear the trains and run via a
siding.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

District Line trains crashed into each other
 

On 13/05/2014 23:33, Michael R N Dolbear wrote:

wrote

On 12/05/2014 23:57, Mizter T wrote:

The power comes from Network Rail too, but
I think there are plans for it to be provided by LU instead.

When do NR trains run in revenue service on the Wimbledon branch, BTW?

When they feel like it.

As I and others have noted SWT passengers going home on any service that
passes Wimbledon occasionally (twice a year perhaps) find themselves
using these rails.

Inexperienced commuters are often a little startled.


Especially when a Waterloo- Surbiton train heads for Putney.

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